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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on February 16, 2014 at 3:54pm

Also, Dustin, Christy Mathewson passed away in 1925.

Do you realize just how rare an autographed baseball from Mr. Mathewson is?

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on February 16, 2014 at 4:04pm

Christopher that is an important point.  the rarity.   Back in the early 20's, people did not place any value on single signed balls, in fact, the more signatures the better.

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Permalink Reply by Randy on February 16, 2014 at 4:32pm

Ruth may have been an exception but certainly true in virtually all instances.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on February 16, 2014 at 6:24pm

Ruth was the exception, but probably starting in the mid to late 20's, after Mathewson passed away.  I don't believe there are many single signed Ruth balls from his Red Sox days, or his early yankee days. At least I don't recall seeing any.

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Permalink Reply by Randy on February 16, 2014 at 6:47pm

True.

There are some Cobb singles from this period or before but Ruth singles dating before '25 are rare and generally barely legible when found.

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Permalink Reply by Randy on February 16, 2014 at 4:30pm

Dustin,

These guys are good.

Just for value reference on an authentic Mathewson single signed baseball, in 2007 one that was fully authenticated by both PSA/DNA and JSA sold for $169,000 in a Huggins and Scott Auction, the highest price realized for a Mathewson single.

Heritage sold a lesser one a couple of years ago for $83,000.

Not sure what a good price seemed to be on this one but, if authentic, it would certainly be within this range and I'm pretty certain it was significantly less than either of these.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on February 16, 2014 at 5:16pm

True. There are no bargains on these authentic big names. There are a ton of guys with the cash ready to scoop these up when they hit the market.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 16, 2014 at 4:44pm

I'm really glad you said that, Dustin. Because now we know you're a real collector who's just trying to figure things out. And it shows how hard it can be to figure out what's going on in autographs.

I hope you spend some time here, asking and commenting as much as you want. Join www.Net54baseball.com if you haven't. You'll learn a lot there as well.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on February 16, 2014 at 6:33pm

Dustin, there is a saying that is very appropriate in this hobby......if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.

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Permalink Reply by Xwiesy on February 16, 2014 at 2:55pm

Oh yes, the needle in the proverbial haystack is an authentic Christy Mathewson baseball.

Boy, Morales is wrong 99.9999% of the time, and lo and behold here is a genuine one, priced right alongside ones he knows are fakes.

That's the kind of guy he is- if you spot the real one, you get it at the price of the fakes.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on February 16, 2014 at 4:12pm

Dustin,

if you want to just evaluate the signature, without considering the other aspects (rarity, age of ball, ink style etc) this style is fairly close to what we would consider "known" authentic examples.  But there is one very basic error in this signature, that does not appear in virtually any authentic Mathewson.  Do you know what it is?

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Permalink Reply by Dustin Rouse on February 16, 2014 at 4:29pm

It is too dark?

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