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Permalink Reply by Eddy on February 11, 2022 at 6:51pm

Nice presentation....but a questionable autograph as we've seen here tonight.

Again, best to not take that apart if you think you may be wanting to return it.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 11, 2022 at 6:54pm

Since a proper assesment can not be done through glass and opening it will void a return best to listen to the room and Kartsen and return. I would. Safest route.

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Permalink Reply by David Hagan on February 11, 2022 at 6:55pm

Thanks for the advice.  I don't want to do anything that would endanger any chance of a refund.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 11, 2022 at 7:09pm

Sure. Return it and forget it. Very easy. Just walk away.

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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on February 11, 2022 at 8:58pm

Now that I have seen this full presentation I would also recommend you use the Beckett and PSA quick opinions and request a refund for item not as described. Return it.

This piece is tainted. Better safe than sorry.

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Permalink Reply by David Hagan on February 11, 2022 at 9:16pm

Shoot. So the framing of it makes it look more questionable?  I had emailed Roger to ask if I could send it to him for further evaluation. 

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 11, 2022 at 9:51pm

I think a proper exam will inclue deframing.it.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 11, 2022 at 10:43pm

I'd get written permission from the seller before removing it from it's frame.

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Permalink Reply by David Hagan on February 11, 2022 at 10:56pm

Yeah. I imagine getting pets mission from a seller who already has a no refund policy doesn’t have much chance of success though, especially if he’s aware it’s fake.

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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on February 12, 2022 at 4:49am

It does David. It has all the signs of a con job. No one would go to that effort to create that piece without getting the best provenance possible up front. Classy production with a cut rate certificate. Doesn't add up.

Plus, if you alter that piece in anyway the seller has full rights to refuse a refund. For your piece of mind, return the piece.

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Permalink Reply by David Hagan on February 12, 2022 at 7:36am

Yep, that makes sense. Thanks Joe that’s what I’ll do.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 11, 2022 at 6:24pm

David,

Getting a refund with PSA and BAS both saying it's likely not real should not be a problem, and you don't have to do it today if you want to keep considering this piece. I'm not surprised at all that they both failed it. Like I said yesterday I'd be surprised if they didn't. I am surprised that I now think it may be real though—in spite of all the characteristics that concerned me. 

BTW, Don Webster is excellent on Elvis. Rarely wrong IMO. OK, OK...I'll admit it. When he disagrees with me he's usually right.

But not always!

As Etienne said, many, at least, of the ones with the forensic LOAs in the seller's eBay account look fake. They're mostly blatant forgeries in my opinion with fresh ink, sometimes marker, etc. 

This Elvis is not like them. The ink is ballpoint, looks like period ink and looks like it could have been on the postcard since the 50s if stored away. It's not blatantly fake like...like the Brando IMO. It was slowly signed but Elvis did that sometimes. It's anything but an easy to authenticate Elvis.

It could be that it's so atypical that the seller and the person they (seller) bought it from thought it was likely fake, it was sold to them for a low price, they had the forensic authenticate it, and sold it for a fairly low price. BTW, did you pay $1,500 Canadian or USD?

I'm not a professional authenticator but Elvis autographs are one of my passions. If you want, over the weekend I'll look at other Elvis autographs and let you know what I think Monday with examples of why I think that way.

However, if you want to give your girlfriend an Elvis that few will question, I urge you to return this one now.

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