Authenticity is Everything
Has anyone tried this Verimarx Ai tool that's advertised on this site?
Was wondering if anyone here has used it here and had it work well? I can't find much information on this tool, supposedly it detects forgeries, just wanted thoughts on it.
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Permalink Reply by Dominick Lisi
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Eric,
That is exactly how a diligent collector becomes knowledgeable — by understanding the why behind an opinion, not just the conclusion. That is what VeriMarx is intended to do.
You are also right that, at its core, this is about helping arm a collector with more knowledge so they can better decide whether a third-party authentication is warranted. It is not meant to replace learning, and it is not meant to discourage careful review. In many ways, it is meant to support that process by helping collectors identify the kinds of characteristics and questions they should be paying attention to in the first place.
A diligent collector can absolutely do a great deal on their own. The reality, though, is that not every collector has the same depth of experience across every signer, format, or era. VeriMarx is designed to help shorten that learning curve, reinforce informed examination, and make that knowledge more accessible. The goal is not blind reliance — it is better-informed decision-making. See “Operation Bullpen”…
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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67
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The goal is to explain the why — identifying potential forgery indicators, common forgery techniques, and inconsistencies, and then comparing those observations against known authentic representations where applicable.
That would seem to be only half of the equation. It’s important to compare signatures against known forgery styles in order to identify consistencies with those styles, and not just inconsistencies with known authentic exemplars.
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo
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+1 Like all those "Ringo's" from several years ago, or the dunkin R&R Nimoy's etc.I think this was thread.
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Right. That style, SoCal, Joe Long, etc. They’re still being authenticated by TPAs.
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That’s a good point, and to clarify, we do perform comparative analysis as part of the process. We look at how a signature relates to known authentic exemplars, but we do not weigh that as heavily as the forgery-side analysis.
The reason is that a signature can differ from authentic examples for entirely legitimate reasons—age, writing conditions, speed, surface, instrument, fatigue, and countless other variables. What often becomes more telling is when a signature shows traits that are consistent with known forgery patterns or repeated non-genuine styles.
So it is not an either/or approach. Comparative review is part of the equation, but the stronger emphasis is placed on identifying characteristics that may indicate forgery. The goal is to give collectors a more informed understanding of the why behind an opinion, so they can better decide whether further examination or third-party authentication is warranted.
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Here are representative exemplars for each era:
1936 document:
1946 William Morris contract:
1956 The Golden Ham signed:
Talk of the Town program 1967:
C. 1977 Smokey and the Bandit SP:
1980's card or page:
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Fine examples.
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Here is my own set:
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Thank you Dom, those images are a bit better but I prefer scans like this:
August 27, 1951:
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OF COURSE! As I mentioned, the better the scan...the more accurate the result. But again...VeriMarx scores for this as well. I would simply suggest you give it a shot. It takes less than 3 minutes.
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Thank you but I never use any of these services. I like to play my part of the the game myself. That is the fun of collecting IMO. Buying an example is the last part. Learning and selecting true quality is a chance for self expression in the collection. I do not buy, sell or recommend anything with a freeloading advertisement sticker on it. I view that as damage.
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Eric,
Well while I appreciate your stance...it seems that your vast knowledge and collection could help other collectors gain knowledge and expertise through the use of what is essentially a smart..easily accessible tool that is becoming a repository of information. The feedback we've received thus far has described it as "addicting". In any case..thank you for your feedback.
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