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Intentionally Fail Items..?
I know this seems like a silly question but I am serious. Would a major TPA intentionally fail a legitimate item? Do they operate under the assumption that if it’s too good to be true it probably is? Is there some kind of secret benefit? Please think about this and give me your thoughts. Thanks!
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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on
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They are more likely to scrutinize rare items, but not necessarily fail them.
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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on
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I would like to see what they failed to pass. Was it a quick opinion or full authentication? I have used quick opinions before although not a fan of them. I think you would be better served by asking members here first. Especially on high dollar autographs.
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Permalink Reply by Mark Miller on
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I’d concur. The knowledge base here is second to none
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If what you mean by "intentionally fail a legitimate item," is purposefully giving the opinion that the item is not authentic when they are absolutely positive that it is authentic, then no, I don't think they'd do that. I think the big TPA's would like their name attached to as many unquestionably authentic item as possible to improve their "image"/reputation.
That said, outside of programs like the JSA's WPP or PSA's ITP where they literally see something signed, I'm not sure how they could ever be absolutely certain something was signed by someone. Thus, I can't think of a case where they even could technically "intentionally fail a legitimate item" unless they watched someone sign something and then decide it was fake which doesn't make any sense. Also, TPA's (at least PSA) say "Questionable Authenticity," and as far as I know, never just say something's "fake" since the whole TPA process is based on opinion.
If you're talking about Quick Opinion services then that's different.
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probably don't itentionally fail, but they do fail items that are good all the time. intentionally pass..now that's a different ball game. yes they will sticker up bad items for companies like presspass collectibles or other businesses that do a lot of business with them
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I always find it interesting when members offer their opinions as facts. Particularly when they mention company names.
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Although I'm not going to name drop here but I do believe there is some solid validity that certain companies that do a lot of business with the big name TPA services get more grace on rushed or borderline signatures than the average collector.
I own a number of examples that were obtained from the most trusted in person dealers out there and they fail to receive a coveted sticker from PSA, JSA, or Bickett. I cannot, for the life or me, figure out how a similar signature gets a "pass" and mine does not.
This happens consistently. Far to often. Money talks. There does seem to be a double standard.
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Would it be correct to say that serious/experienced collectors put less stock in major TPA’s than perhaps your average or novice collectors?
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They say they do and some actually do but no one can ignore TPA services when it comes time to sell especially if they try to sell directly and not through an auction. They have a powerful effect on the marketplace. Like it or not.
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Agree 100% Joe. I know of a few sellers in Australia and at least one here in New Zealand who put endless items through TPA and all seem to pass with no issue even secretarial signatures, autopens, and clear fakes. It makes a mockery of TPA and the sticker collectors don't seem to care.
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i had a walt disney signed postcard that failed beckett authentication. i knew it was good so i took it to psa/dna and they passed it and issued a ful loa. i listed it on ebay and presspass collectibles was the winning bidder. a few months later guess what i saw listed in their ebay store, my walt disney postcard slabbed by beckett
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Thanks for the clarification, Mark.
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