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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 19, 2020 at 2:11pm

Not real in my opinion. And Lynne Clifford COAs are a big warning sign.

These were originally sold at shows, etc., alongside the Bag One prints. The dealer, I forget his name, would take people in back and show them a selection. Never saw a real one.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on October 19, 2020 at 4:32pm

So this is a repro being offered as an original?

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Permalink Reply by Brian182 on October 19, 2020 at 10:31pm

This is currently listed on Ebay for close to 6k USD.  I am pleased to have found this site before purchasing, but I am curious as to why Lynne Clifford COA's are a warning sign.  I did read that Clifford and Ono had a falling out with regards to business interests around the 2000's, but I can't understand how there is a discrepancy in the authenticity of pieces with that COA.

Also curious what specifically you see that veers you toward the notion this is not a genuine piece.

If its signed, numbered, endorsed by John Lennon's estate with COA, what more can there be to disprove authenticity?

Many thanks! 

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 20, 2020 at 10:59am

All the ones I've seen have had Clifford COAs. I don't recall hearing of any sold at their road shows that were genuine.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on October 20, 2020 at 11:47am

Do you know why they were deemed not genuine? The signature on this one looks correct to me. If it isn’t authentic, I would think that it would have to be a repro.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 20, 2020 at 12:19pm

Maybe it is but I've only heard about the tons of fakes, often sold for high 4 to 5 figures. Lynne Clifford signed the COAs.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 20, 2020 at 4:51pm

The ones I was talking about were sold from the mid-2000s and up. I'm glad I was called on these. The ones I knew about were reportedly regularly sold by Larry Schwartz and had Clifford COAs.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on October 20, 2020 at 5:28pm

I’d be curious to see what they look like because this one has a number associated with one of the originals (253), and as I mentioned the signature looks like what you would expect to see on an original. That’s why I was asking if it was a repro.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on October 20, 2020 at 4:03pm

I would ask if the COA bears the embossed stamp of Bag One and if the cert is printed on Cranes Best 100% cotton rag paper.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 20, 2020 at 4:46pm

I assumed this was one of the many fakes that came out based on what I was told and saw at the time. At that point, they were all signed by Clifford and she was supposedly the source based on the investigation. I saw Clifford, these looked like the fakes, and I didn't think otherwise. 

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on October 19, 2020 at 2:29pm

I ran into this - anyone know anything about this? From 2009:

Artwork of John Lennon $100 MILLION FRAUD, The Dead don't create Ar...

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Permalink Reply by Brian182 on October 19, 2020 at 10:25pm

I've read this before.  While lengthy and comprehensive, it doesn't disprove the fact that there were 300 prints, and 45 hors commerce (H.C.) of the Bag One suite, published in 1970 that Lennon personally signed.  Those are what I am after.

I also own a signed serigraph of one of Lennon's pieces from 1990, signed by Yoko Ono (the author would have clearly objected to this piece, too.)  

While the author likes to deem anything not personally drawn, signed, and overwhelmingly endorsed by Lennon himself as fraudulent, I do not see anything "fraudulent" about Yoko Ono re-releasing his works of art and personally signing them herself.  I own one of them, and I like it.

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