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Jordan Lebron signed real or Fake

I think it looks real.  Just want your opinion to feel ultra secure before I purchase.

 

Thanks

 

Jonah

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Permalink Reply by Rich on July 6, 2012 at 6:04pm

I'd steer clear.  From a common sense perspective, I can't imagine that could possibly be real.

Permalink Reply by Rich on July 6, 2012 at 6:21pm

Unless it's some sort of certified insert.

Permalink Reply by John Strickland on July 7, 2012 at 7:31am

I saw that one on eBay myself but it did not have any type of certification , if you want get an online opinion from PSA/DNA. it does resemble closely as being the real thing but there are guys out there pretty good at forging those 2 signatures.

Permalink Reply by Jonah Aldrete on July 7, 2012 at 7:35am

its already gone.  I think its real.  PSA takes too long sometimes and when they do not want to take a risk they will say likely not genuine.  Then I will visit them in chicago in person and its real.  Thanks,

Permalink Reply by Rich on July 7, 2012 at 7:39am

Jonah, what was the description that led you to think it's real?  I'm not trying to be a debbie downer, but odds certainly aren't in favor of that being authentic, unless it was a certified insert from UD (which it didn't appear to be).  

Permalink Reply by Jonah Aldrete on July 7, 2012 at 7:45am

I have ud jordans signed at home and a few psa lebrons.  The jordan looks dead on and so does the lebron.  I look at jordans autograph a lot and have an eye for a real one.  The fake ones M usually is not slanted properley or the cross over is off.  This looks like a UDA auto but I know that he got it in person which is rare I know.  You can never be 100% sure but I have confidence in this one unless its a stamp.....

Permalink Reply by Rich on July 7, 2012 at 7:48am

Does the seller say where they were signed?

Permalink Reply by Rich on July 7, 2012 at 8:32am

OK, here's the auction description:

You are making offers on a Michael Jordan / Lebron James Dual autographed card. I don't have a COA for this card but just look at the signatures on this one. They are real!!! The Lebron is in silver sharpie and the Jordan is in Gold sharpie. These autos are very clean and very sharp. This is a great way to buy a Jordan/Lebron auto fairly cheap in Jordan Lebron standards. The guy I bought this from says they were signed in person at two different occasions. Buy with confidence.
I wouldn't buy this for $5.  Here's my disclaimer: I'm no expert on Jordan and have zero knowledge on Lebron.  Still, let me be try to be the voice of reason:
1) Zero provenance and basically a non-description of the source.  Sorry, but how hard is it to explain where this likely recently signed item came from?
2) Look at the completed listings.  I count this exact card as being sold three times within the last month already.  What's going on here?
3) The signatures themselves look good.  In many cases, that's quite helpful.  Not here.  If that's really what Lebron's signature looks like, that scribble should be quite easy to forge and just about impossible to authenticate.  I'll agree that the Jordan looks good.  On the other hand, if I had to guess the most forged autograph of my lifetime, I'd pick Jordan.  Forgers have been quite successful at nailing his fairly simplistic signature for the past couple decades.  
4) These are very nicely signed.  Perfectly in the center in fine point paint pens that no doubt needed charging.  No smudges or smears, and the card looks to be mint.  This was quite clearly signed in a fairly controlled environment, not a crowd.  That's bit of a tough sell.
5) With what Lebron and Jordan are charging, these certainly didn't come from a signing.
6) Ok, so let's say this person was presented with a unique opportunity to meet Michael Jordan and Lebron James.  Two incredibly hot, very expensive signatures.  And he has them sign . . . a cheap Upper Deck card worth maybe a few bucks?  Wow.
Based on the info thus far, I cannot fathom a possibility that this is authentic.
Permalink Reply by John Strickland on July 7, 2012 at 9:49am

Excellent observation and point made Rich !

Permalink Reply by Jonah Aldrete on July 7, 2012 at 11:20am

Rich you make great points.  I think the card they signed was the best point you made.  Why would this person meeting those 2 stars bring a card and not a basketball or jersey.  Thanks

Permalink Reply by Rich on July 7, 2012 at 12:58pm

Just trying to steer you clear of trouble, which it looks like this may be.  

I'm wondering if the previous sales of this card may indicate an issue of shill bidding.  

Permalink Reply by Brick Hunter on July 7, 2012 at 11:22am

The Jordan does look kind of pretty good in my non-expert opinion. I'm not too familiar with LBJ's signature, but the examples I've seen from his Cleveland signing days are a bit messier than that. Rich brings up some good points, although they don't disqualify it. It's hard to believe these nice and neat signatures were signed in an in-person setting - plus their signatures lack the intricacies which make someone hard to forge. Also makes this hard to say. I'd go for more opinions and/or a professional opinion before purchasing.

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