****This topic (and the forum) are gaining media attention. Please see this article for more information:
https://radaronline.com/p/liza-minelli-autopen-signature-memoir-sca...
****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.
You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.
****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****
Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.
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Recent news coverage also raises questions about whether Liza would have been able to sign books in the consistently pristine manner seen here.
There has also been widespread speculation among Liza’s fans on social media that the audiobook may involve AI-assisted voice technology, with some questioning whether the audiobook voice is a true recording or an AI-generated version of her voice.
⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures
Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath (appears to be only on US editions):
The signature from the book cover above matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)
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***FURTHER OBSERVATIONS***
Please see this video to learn more on how this technology works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
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There is a card signed by Minnelli at the auction site above and the signature is identical to the book cover's facsimile signature. Based on the Sharpie halo, the card dates to at least early 1990's.
oh that is a nice catch. I posted that card long ago when I was researching secretarials..How do you know the date? I cant find mention of it unless im overlooking it
Black Sharpies used to produce a yellowish halo as the marks aged. I understand that the company that makes Sharpies changed the formula in the early to mid-nineties, so this no longer happens.
oh interesting. I never knew it was the markers fault. I started collecting in 91, seen similar on some from as late as the late 90s. maybe they used an old marker. good to know
Thanks for posting that link and photo StonefaceJr, that’s interesting and a great catch
My copy from Waterstones doesn't have this. Which edition do you have?
I believe the embossed signature on the cover may only be on the US edition? I’m not certain about that JG.
If anyone knows for sure, let me know…I can update the top of the page where we talk about the embossed signature, and specify they are on US only (if they are)
Indeed, my Waterstones book does not have this.
I submitted this one to VeriMarx:Here’s a portion of the result that’s relevant to the discussion:
The ink distribution shows natural variations in pressure, particularly in the connecting strokes and the eyes of the smiley face, which supports the conclusion of a manually applied signature rather than a mechanical reproduction.
Natural stroke velocity and a lack of hesitation marks support a finding of an original signature.
This doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s authentic, but if not it was executed in a way that seemed entirely natural to VeriMarx. I also submitted a Bob Dylan autopen and an Ozzy Osbourne autopen, and both came back as showing signs of being a reproduced signature.
thanks for adding this. I really wouldnt expect anything more from it at this point in time. This may actually turn people away from using it as a service going forward
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