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Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.
You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.
****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****
Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.
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****WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSION****
“Signed” copies of Liza Minelli’s new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, actually include autopen signatures.
Multiple signatures appear to share identical geometry in specific segments when overlaid.
⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures:
Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath (appears to be only on US editions):
That signature matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)
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The signatures in these books appear to have been produced by an advanced autopen system capable of introducing subtle variations in letter structure and placement, likely intended to disguise the mechanical origin.
Please see this video to learn more on how this works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Marcus Green
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A review of her "performance" last night.
Poor love, what a mess
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/at-liza-book-event-the-story-o...
You might ask yourself if someone in this state could have signed all those books so beautifully.
I think we know the answer to that.
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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES
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Marcus Green LOL !
Ya, here's the video link below of her performance at the Book "Signing"
(Fans were given a pre "signed" bookplate sticker to stick in their books).
Liza is singing "MY AUTOPENS ARE HERE TO STAY"...
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I mean "Our Love Is Here To Stay"
No way those hands signed thousands of steady, Plumb Perfect atuographs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uc5Med2suY&list=RD7uc5Med2suY&...
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I saw her at a performance in October, 2010. Miraculously, to me at least, she was still able to sing and dance a little. Her voice was still pretty strong and in key. I know she’s had more than her fair share of health challenges.
But this is just really sad. It’s almost like they rolled her out in a hospital bed, tubes coming out of her everywhere and commanded “Sing!”
My guess is Michael Feinstein (and maybe others) are calling the shots. Liza’s been duped before by husbands and probably management too. To me this just cries elder abuse.
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Permalink Reply by Matt M.
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Just a quick update to say I’m still working on this and getting lots of help today (thank you Jason H, and also Jimmy James for keeping me laughing). Continued thanks to Knob Dylan as well for his help so far.Feel free to continue posting your examples if you haven’t already.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed so far, by offering suggestions/insight and posting examples….keep it coming. Also thanks to those joined up to participate in the discussion.
I’ve tried to respond to those who expressed thanks in their posts, but I may have missed some. I’m glad to know this has been helpful.
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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67
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Has this one been posted yet? It was taken from an eBay listing.
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I don’t believe so, but I’m saving it- thank you. That’s a weird one…. can I ask if that is from a bookplate or just regular edition?
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I thought so too. It’s the regular edition. Here’s a link to the listing: https://ebay.us/m/seH1W6
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Good to know, I appreciate it. Some of the bookplates are a bit strange/off (the L’s particularly), so I was wondering.
I’ve seen a a couple regular editions with some weird features. Not sure what’s up with this L either, also eBay from the other day
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The “A”s look odd too. Does it appear to be the same formation as the standard “A”s with the rounded portion drawn first starting from the bottom left, a pen lift, and then the cross bar?
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Do you mean in the example that you provided? If so, I agree that “A” in Liza is very strange compared to the known examples.I looked at some of my examples to see if I’m finding anything similar, but got sidetracked with some emails. Will keep looking.
But pretty certain I haven’t seen one quite like it. Good catch and thanks again, I’m definitely keeping that one in mind.
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