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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on September 5, 2021 at 4:57am

That is laughable stuff.  My goodness.

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Permalink Reply by Nick Dimeo on September 5, 2021 at 5:20am

To put it nicer, no they are not authentic. The “W” in Williams is way off, along with other issues and the Mantle’s have several problems. Sorry

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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on September 5, 2021 at 5:42am

Sorry,  but that Mantle pieces are simply a train wreck, not just "several problems."

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Permalink Reply by Jason Guercio on September 5, 2021 at 5:57am

I appreciate the reply. It's a shame that there are so many crooked card guys out there, I remember being in this guy's shop as a 12 yr. old, and he sold my dad alot of these pics. I wish I could find him today! But I guess you get people like that in all types of businesses. I have some other pics as well, and some other stuff that came from other people, I'll post them in the next couple days. At least once I confirm something as a fake I can trash it and make 1 less fake out in the world. Thanks buddy.

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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on September 5, 2021 at 6:04am

Jason, sorry for the bad news, but unfortunately there are more forgeries out there, than there are authentic autographs.

The scammers/dirtbags have always taken advantage of people who do not know autographs.

On Ebay, the forgery business/industry is huge, and it's huge because Ebay doesn't care.

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Permalink Reply by Nick Dimeo on September 5, 2021 at 6:15am

Jason, technology has just gotten better and forensic identification of signatures. I don’t know how old you are but when I was 12, a lot of card shops had these same type of fake autographs in there. My card shop owner in the 80’s was an elderly man who when I look back had a ton of fakes in the shop. I just don’t think the shop owners were aware, I am optimistic about that. These days there is no reason for anybody who has a business not to know. There is a small population of collectors that do purchase these photos as long as you sell them as not authentic. You can probably get $5 a pop.

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Permalink Reply by Michael Lee on September 5, 2021 at 12:49pm

A very good point is made here. In my mind, alot of people simply view autographs as a fringe hobby and simply cant fathom why in the world anyone would forge a signature.

In effect, the forger sells his fakes to an unsuspecting dealer or buyer at such a low price (who needs actual value for a fake) that even the mark-up price is fairly attractive to the next uninformed buyer. 

Much easier to get away with then and I agree that there really should be no excuses in today’s market. The information, and tons of it, is a google search away.

The uninformed become both victim and unwitting perpetrator in this cycle. Knowledge is power.

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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on September 5, 2021 at 1:03pm

Michael, you make a great point.

Some people actually do question why anyone would forge signatures/autographs.

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Permalink Reply by Jason Guercio on September 7, 2021 at 1:12am

I appreciate the info, honestly I'd rather just get rid of them, at least I kno its 1 less fake auto out in the world. In my situation I believe the card shop guy was aware. He claimed to be at the show they came from. It's crazy because I have seen authentic auto's of these same exact photos, that's what Gabe me hope. But thanks for the message.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on September 5, 2021 at 12:07pm

Jason,

Autograph Live is here to educate collectors and help protect them from buying and selling forgeries. Removing images from a post isn't allowed since it usually renders that post useless. Could you please repost the images you removed?

Thanks,

Steve

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