Neophyte Needs Advice About 1958 World Series Program With 66 Autographs

   I just need to start out with the disclaimer that I'm not a dealer or much of a collector. My aquisitions stopped in the 1980's, and I've never purchased an autograph. Just collected them very casually starting as a kid.

   I have a number of Milwaukee Braves autographs from the late 1950's and early 60's. My Great Aunt managed the team's office, and I went to a lot of games with her. I have a program from a World Series game I attended in 1958 with my family that has the signatures of every player of both the New York Yankees and the Milwaukee Braves. I collected the signatures with my Aunt, over the course of  two games. I was 8. These are the autographs on it:

 

New York Yankees Players

  • Hank Bauer
  • Yogi Berra
  • Andy Carey
  • Murray Dickson
  • Art Ditmar
  • Ryan Duren
  • Whitey Ford
  • Elston Howard
  • Darrell Johnson
  • Tony Kubek
  • Johnny Kucks
  • Don Larsen
  • Jerry Lumpe
  • Mickey Mantle
  • Duke Maas
  • Gil McDougald
  • Zack Monroe
  • Bob Richardson
  • Bob Shantz
  • Norm Siebern
  • Bill Skowron
  • Enos Slaughter
  • Tom Sturdivant
  • Marv Throneberry
  • Virgil Trucks
  • Bob Turley
New York Yankees Coaching Staff
  • Casey Stengel
  • Ralph Houk

 

Milwaukee Braves Players

  • Hank Aaron
  • Joe Adcock
  • Billy Bruton
  • Bob Buhl
  • Lou Burdette
  • Gene Conley
  • Wes Covington
  • Del Crandall
  • Harry Hanebrink
  • Joey Jay
  • Johnny Logan
  • Felix Mantilla
  • Eddie Mathews
  • Don McMahon
  • Andy Pafko
  • Juan Pizarro
  • Humberto Robinson
  • Del Rice
  • Bob Rush
  • Red Schoendienst
  • Warren Spahn
  • Frank Torre
  • Bob Trowbridge
  • Carl Willey
  • Casey Wise


Braves (Not Playing in the Game)

  • Mel Roach
  • Ed Haas
  • Ernie Johnson
  • Robert Taylor
  • John Lang
  • Joe Koppe
  • Bob Roselli


Equipment Managers

  • Joe Taylor
  • Tommie Ferguson

Trainer

  • Robert “Doc” Feron

   Okay, here's my situation. I was ready to sell my Braves memorabilia last year—I need to give up my home and move into assisted living—so I checked into selling the program through an online auction house. I sent the item to them for an Autumn of 2010 auction, and was expecting a great outcome-but it was returned to me because all of the signatures couldn't be authenticated. I was stunned because I remember collecting them myself. The authenticity of the Yankees signatures, and almost all of the Brave's players was not in question, just a few of the Braves who were not playing in the Series-but were pictured in the program. What a buzzkill! My Aunt must have had someone in the club house finish them off so I'd have "every" signature.

   Finally getting to my question: So, what do I do with it now? Do I dismantle the program and sell pages individually (it's in great shape, by the way)? Cut it up? I know it would be a shame, but I don't have any autograph commerce experience, and I don't know what's a reasonable way to market the good 60 or so signatures. I don't have authentication for the individual signatures that the auction house confirmed were good (and can't afford to get it). 

   If you have any advice, I'd love to hear it. You can see scans I made of the pages and a good description at  my niece's website:
http://www.nowhousestudio.com/1958-World-Series-Program.html

   My sincerest gratitude for any input you have for me!

 

   Mark

 

Tags: 1958, aaron, braves, casey, duke, game, maas, mantle, program, series, More…stengel, world, yankees

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Permalink Reply by Lou reves on March 31, 2011 at 8:36am
I cant get the link to work? Can you check it again I am sure someone here can help
Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on March 31, 2011 at 8:50am

@Louie: It  worked for me. You still having problems?

@Mark: It's possible the auction house was incorrect, so hang in there while people look at it here. Which ones couldn't they authenticate?

It's a great piece of baseball history and it would be a shame to cut it up.

Permalink Reply by M. Fleagle on March 31, 2011 at 9:17am

Louie: Hmm, here's that link again. Let me know if you still can't connect. http://www.nowhousestudio.com/1958-World-Series-Program.html

 

Steve: Thanks for your reply! They only had "concerns" about a couple of the signatures of Braves NOT playing in the series. They called them "club house" signatures. It is a great piece of history, and even after inspection of the scans, the auction house was thrilled to feature it. Until they weren't... I sold a similar piece on Ebay in 2009-a 1957 World Series program with 57 signatures. It sold for $2,900.00 with no certification. I originally listed this 1958 program on Ebay also (last Fall), but got a lot of feedback that it was "too big" an item for the Ebay audience, and that buyers would be suspicious because it wasn't certified. One Ebayer told me it just seemed too good to be real. So, I took it down from Ebay-where it had a starting bid of $1, 750.00, and checked around and signed on with an auction house.

I haven't been a Baseball fan since the Braves left Milwaukee, and I'm not much of an autograph collector, but I'd hate to think I'd have to cut-up the program to sell it. I don't even know how I'd do it because the pages are printed on both sides. It's a tough decision, because just about everything I own has to go.

Thanks for any advice!

Mark

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on March 31, 2011 at 9:38am

It's strange that they passed on it over a few Braves club house autographs. There are many good sports auction houses with sales coming up in the next few months and consignments closing soon, so don't stop at just one. There's Hunts, Legendary, Heritage, Memory Lane...the list could go on and on. I would definitely get it into a sports auction and not a general autograph one. Was it a sports auction house you went to, or one with dedicated sports auctions?

DO NOT cut it up!!!

 

Permalink Reply by M. Fleagle on March 31, 2011 at 11:23am
Steve: When the program was removed from the auction, I tried to get more information from the agent at the action house it was consigned with, but he was really discrete. He would tell me very little.
Permalink Reply by Anthony Bautista on March 31, 2011 at 9:30am
Here is a Mickey Mantle clubhouse. Yours may be one as well.
Permalink Reply by Anthony Bautista on March 31, 2011 at 9:35am

Regardless of the clubhouse signatures there is still a market out there for your item . Jsa and psa will still issue a Loa and list the clubhouse signatures . It was a common practice for the teams to do back then , it isnt considered a forgery in the industry as it was done non maliciously . If you would like help getting your item authenticated and possibly selling it let me know. You have Duke Maas on the program and that looks real. He was really really rare to get out of all that years Yankees and there is a big market for him alone.

 

Also Im not an expert on autographs just a collector and dealer. So the Mantle could be real  .

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on March 31, 2011 at 9:42am

What does it cost to authenticate an item like that?

What do you think it's worth if only a few of Braves who didn't play are clubhouse?

Permalink Reply by Anthony Bautista on March 31, 2011 at 9:51am

The mantle may be real . It it can go for over $1000 . If it is clubhouse probably about $600 . If its only the braves guys then Im sure no one will really care. I have a book on all the clubhouse signatures and team signed balls. Its at my office I can pull it out and take a look at to see which ones match up .

 

To the guy that owns the program send me a message , I can help you out I think .

Permalink Reply by M. Fleagle on March 31, 2011 at 10:20am
Anthony: I just sent you a FRIEND request so you'll accept messages from me.
Permalink Reply by M. Fleagle on March 31, 2011 at 10:08am
Steve: I think about $350 bucks.
Permalink Reply by Lou reves on March 31, 2011 at 9:56am
I cant get all the photos to load, but I agree with Steve dont cut it up, dont go to Coaches Corner to auction it, if you get someone asking about it you may want to ask Steve Or John Rez about some references for them they know alot of people. You should be able to get someone to sell your stuff and get a good bit for it! Its ashame that a family member doesnt want to buy it from you, but I know what some people like others dont have any interest in, I know I only have a couple of autos my kids would like. Just dont give up!

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