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Permalink Reply by Jason Strecker on November 1, 2020 at 7:39am

They only one that I think is good, given the item (because I don't know his autograph) is Robert Reed.

The others look like forgeries, even the index cards. If it's one person selling all these, they most likely faked the index cards so the buyer would have something to frame with the kids signed photo.

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Permalink Reply by beardog1 on November 1, 2020 at 8:45am

Thank you, Jason.  Obviously a little disappointed but feedback from members is always helpful and appreciated.  I agree signed documents have a stronger likelihood of being authentic than photos or index cards.  I try to do a lot of research using resources like RR Auction, Heritage, PSA, etc.  I thought these looked pretty good but this would not be my first miss.  Thanks for your help.

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Permalink Reply by Jason Strecker on November 1, 2020 at 12:29pm

I think in the other thread I also mentioned try and look for the stairs photo with Sherwood Schwartz. This is most likely a higher chance of being authentic because many fans, like me, got the photo from Sherwood (it will have his autograph on it) and then sent it to other members to sign. Ann, Florence and Barry were usually the only automatic ones. Peter did ttm briefly during my time collectioning. Mike and Susan did a few shows, but not many. Eve and Maureen are the harder to obtain but a friend of mine did say they are gettable in person, you just don't see them too often. Of course, there could be fakes of this photo but given the way the fan will have originally obtained it it is most likely to have made it's way around to get other real autographs.

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Permalink Reply by beardog1 on November 1, 2020 at 2:20pm

Thanks again, Jason.  I am familiar with the Sherwood Schwartz signed photos but did not know about signing habits of the cast.  I learn so much from members in this forum.  Appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience.

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Permalink Reply by Jason Strecker on November 1, 2020 at 7:06pm

Another pointer is the symbol under Ann's autograph is a cross and Jesus fish. She would never do that so sloppily and all the ones I've seen are neat. This forger didn't do too well. She also usually personalized so the index most likely would have been personalized.

Google images is pretty cool to look at especially for someone like Ann who most of the material shown should be authentic so you can get a good idea of probably the most common (besides Barry) of actors autographs and then see maybe some other autographs they are paired with on items. Just now I saw too pretty cool items-one was a group of individual trading cards of some, but not all, of the actors. The other was a framed item with signed index cards of all the actors and the photo in the middle was of the stair photo just signed by Sherwood. The Reed autograph didn't look good though but it was noted by JSA it was inconclusive.

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Permalink Reply by Todd Johnson on November 2, 2020 at 8:53pm

Very similar to a card I had, but probably easy forged.  I have Barry and EVe on a few cast photos I can check.

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Permalink Reply by Todd Johnson on November 2, 2020 at 9:08pm

My “stairs” photo and bw “popcorn" photo with just Barry and Eve autos in person

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Permalink Reply by beardog1 on November 3, 2020 at 9:19am

Thank you for posting the examples and sharing your comments.  Funny how when you feel something is legit, you can convince yourself how similar it looks to other examples.  But when you have suspicions, you can find many differences.  To me, the bottom of the "F" in "Florence" and the general height of the letters look off in my example.  Also, the two Barry Williams examples you posted look like a more natural flow than mine while the "E" in "Eve" is clearly different.  Certainly people can sign differently over time and in different settings.  However, I have doubts about my OP now.  Not sure why forgers take the time to forge inexpensive signatures but I suppose if you can convert a 1-cent index card into a $15 "autograph" it is worth a shot.

Appreciate you sharing your knowledge and opinions.

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