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My friend, blame cannot be attached to trust, when buying this item, you trusted the word of the salesman, and the WORTHLESS C.O.A however, through your misfortune, you have discovered a useful tool as this website, believe me, this has been very rewarding to myself in the years I have been a member of AML.
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Thanks again Mark. It's good to know I'm not alone and I'm looking forward to being part of this community. Best wishes and i hope this finds you well.
Sincerely, Joe
And welcome Joe. Ive also been to Vegas 4 times and walked through some of these autograph stores. The one at the entrance to Mandalay bay has Pete Rose signing a lot right in their front entrance but I didn't like some of their stuff for sale. Many of these places are what we call "mixed bag" some good some bad. from what I see though mostly bad. Good luck and feel free to ask, post here for help.
We have all made mistakes (some costly) but the knowledge you learn from them is useful too. I personally disregard most COAs and LOAs, and sometimes am extra cautious when they are from unreliable TPAs. There are certain dealers I trust and if I like an autograph they have I feel comfortable in buying it. There are a lot of good people on here willing to give opinions based on years of experience. I am sorry you had this happen and hope perhaps you can file some sort of claim through your credit card.
Joe,
PSA DNA's failure of the item, may not hold up in court,,,,but it may be enough documentation for American Express. I would file your chargeback claim as soon as you receive the paperwork from PSA. If Amex requires more documentation from there, then worry about that, but get the process started as soon as you can.
Good Luck,
Pete
PSA/DNA's COAs, LOAs and rejection letters are not admissible as expert witness testimony on their own. Their expert, or one of their experts if more than one examined the item in question, would need to be available to appear in court to be cross-examined. That is, unless the opposing side doesn't contest the opinion in PSA/DNA's documentation.
This is no different than documentation from a so-called "court-approved" forensic document examiner. The FDE would have to appear to testify unless their printed opinion wasn't contested.
The costs involved in bringing any expert witness into a courtroom would not fit this $2500 claim.....It would be silly to even consider this, but American Express will likely side with the customer with minimal evidence. The PSA DNA letter should be fine to start the process of the chargeback.
Yes, i agree.. im merely stating that saying PSA is not admissible in court is not factual. If PSA wanted to, they could supply an expert to testify. In fact, if they do it enough times they could even become the defacto standard.
Thanks Pete. I plan to do exactly that. I've read through AMEX's stipulations regarding refunds and disputes and it appears to be a fairly simple process given I can provide the appropriate documentation. In the meantime they will put a hold on the transaction or charge-back until the matter has been settled.
Thanks again, Joe
Someone else trying to get a refund from Antiquities said that Toby Stoffa told him that under the terms of their guarantee, their authenticator, Drew Max, would appear in court and testify that the autograph(s) were genuine.
In other words, they guarantee he'll testify against their customers who claim they were sold forgeries.
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