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STUDY: Jerry Lee Lewis - TTM real or not real

Steve asked me to start a new thread since some were having a lot of issues with regards to whether or not the through the mail autographs of Jerry Lee Lewis are real or not. I will post some examples of what we have been getting recently and some know in person examples. These TTM signatures are not cheap. You have to pay $50 for them to his box office box. The question is are they real or not. Roger has said that he has never seen Mr. Lewis sign this way and it looks to perfect - like a woman's signature.

Please post your thoughts here and examples.

thanks

Mark

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Permalink Reply by Mark Shull on April 15, 2014 at 5:45pm

This is a photo that I got from Jerry Lee TTM in April of 2012. Opinions?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on April 16, 2014 at 2:08pm

Too small to judge IMO

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Permalink Reply by Chad B on June 4, 2014 at 12:46pm

Can you post a larger image of this signature? I'm doing a comparison. Thanks.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on April 15, 2014 at 5:32pm

Here is the Jerry Lee Lewis I got through the mail on September 13, 2000. I paid $39 for it through a web site order form.

I think it compares favorably to the examples that have been deemed likely authentic. While I do not claim to be an expert in the matter, it seems apparent that the recent TTM responses are done in a different hand.

Recent TTM responses:

* Letters too well formed and defined
* More ornate construction
* Loops on top of Ls smaller and tighter than authentic
* More upright... authentic has significantly more right slant

I could be wrong, but I think even the recent check endorsements depicted on page 1 may be a proxy signature.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on April 15, 2014 at 5:57pm

BTW, when I ordered my Lewis SP in 2000, I sent the check away and didn't get a response for what seemed like a long time. There was a phone number on the order form and I called it. A man picked up and I asked if they received my order. He fumbled around a bit and said they had it, and it would go out soon. I received the signed photo within a week.

After I hung up the phone, it struck me that I was probably speaking to Jerry Lee.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Viola on April 16, 2014 at 6:25am

I think we have concluded that the TTMs offered 10 or so years ago thru his website for a fee were the real deal. The TTMs now look different, come back in a week or so and are apparently signed by his assistant. Unfortunate.

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Permalink Reply by Chad B on April 16, 2014 at 7:26am

I am confused by this whole situation. I need to put the various signatures over the years next to each other for comparison. I agree the recent examples have some very odd changes. It would be nice to see when the ttm examples started getting questionable. I still want to know if my 2011 ttm is good and I see Mark Shull wants to know about his 2012.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Viola on April 16, 2014 at 1:21pm

Well one way to tell perhaps is when the signature started to have a line drawn underneath it. The IPs I got and the ones offered on his website 10 yrs ago never had that. Maybe thats the indicator?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on April 16, 2014 at 2:07pm

When I indicated too "ornate" above, that flourish was part of my thinking.

It appears that with the ones that are deemed authentic, the top of the L in Lewis bends so far to the right that it is approximately even with the end of "ewis."

The apparent secretarials... the top of the L is not even close to the end.

An untested theory and may not apply as much to vintage signatures, but at least accurate for the sampling of older age signatures shown in this thread.

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Permalink Reply by Henry K on April 16, 2014 at 2:46pm

Not to say that mine (attached above) that I obtained at the concert in 2010 is definitely real (was taken and signed backstage for me), but it does look more like Mr. Zipper's with the bending L and no ornate flourish.

So if mine is real, he would have had to change sometime after early 2010.