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Permalink Reply by michelle on June 26, 2017 at 9:59am

interesting.  I wonder why its guaranteed to pass BAS. 

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on June 26, 2017 at 10:07am

One of the two recently discussed Maccas is also being offered in the Iconic auction with a guarantee to pass BAS.

http://www.iconicauctions.com/The_Beatles__Paul_McCartney_Signed_8_...

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Permalink Reply by Mike T on June 26, 2017 at 10:10am

FWIW I sent the eagles stuff to them, they told me they haven't reviewed everything yet and will be there in 2 days. It appears Iconic might be prematurely listing items. Hopefully they will get pulled after Beckett goes through everything. I believe the last Eagles item did get pulled, even after it sold for $7k.

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Permalink Reply by Christopher on June 26, 2017 at 10:19am

Help me understand Mike.  You sent the Eagles photo signed by 4 to Iconic for consignment but are hoping that after Beckett reviews it, it will be pulled from the auction?  Or you sent the item to Beckett for authentication and it somehow wound up in the current Iconic auction without your permission?

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Permalink Reply by Mike T on June 26, 2017 at 10:22am

My apologies, that was confusing. After seeing Neil's post about the item coming from Duncan's ebay account, I forwarded the information to Beckett. They agreed it was not authentic, said they had not seen it and said they would be there in 2 days to authenticate the stuff for the auction. 

I do not own the items in question, apologies for the confusion.

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Permalink Reply by Neil A. on June 26, 2017 at 10:34am

Awesome, I was about to contact Jeff Woolf from Iconic to have him read through this thread - but I'm glad to hear Mike T already took care of this.  I am curious if Duncan was the one who submitted the photo to Iconic, or if it was the person who purchased it from him on eBay.  I assume the purchase didn't end up going through after the person realized it was not believed to be authentic.

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Permalink Reply by Christopher on June 27, 2017 at 9:17am

Curious about something.  Does Beckett offer a "quick opinion" service yet?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 27, 2017 at 9:29am

Not yet.

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Permalink Reply by Christopher on June 27, 2017 at 9:45am

I've developed what I hope is a healthy skepticism about certain TPAs, as I've shared before.  This instance gives me pause as well.  If I understand this correctly, Mike T provided an image of an item owned by someone else, consigned to a public auction, with some amount of additional background about a past owner, presumably (but I suppose not certainly), implying that the items is a forgery because of the identity of a past owner. Beckett then provided back to Mike an official opinion that the item is not authentic.  If this is the actual sequence of events, then the integrity of the TPA comes into question in my opinion.  Would literally anyone be able to copy an image of a piece I own, from Facebook for example, and supply it to Beckett, receive an opinion for free and post that opinion on a public website?    I'm not thinking about legality at all.  I'm just thinking about good business practice.  If this actually happened the way Mike T has described it, then Beckett is officially and forever off my list of credible third party authenticators - not because of competency (though in this thread, someone called that into question recently), but because of loose policies regarding the sanctity of client privacy.  

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Permalink Reply by Neil A. on June 27, 2017 at 9:59am

This is not the actual sequence of events.  The evidence provided by Mike T. was not simply the name of the past owner.  Go back a few pages and you will see the in depth analysis that was performed on the actual signatures by several of us here on this very piece.  What confuses me is that in the description on Iconic it states that the piece was already reviewed by BAS and is guaranteed to pass - even though MIke T had confirmed that this was not the case and BAS told Mike T that this piece will fail.  To me this calls into question the integrity of Iconic more so than the integrity of BAS who ultimately got it right (if everything Mike T said comes to fruition).

Permalink Reply by wascher on June 27, 2017 at 10:05am

Mike can correct me if I'm wrong.  But Iconic seems to be labeling things prior to the start of the actual auction as having a full Beckett LOA..... before Beckett has even seen the pieces.  From what I've read here, Mike then asked Beckett if they really authenticated it (sending the link to the auction) and they had not yet.

Iconic is the issue here imo.

Permalink Reply by wascher on June 27, 2017 at 10:11am

Sorry didn't see Neil's reply before I sent mine, but I think we both see it the same way :)

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