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Permalink Reply by Gregory J V Best on December 10, 2014 at 10:03pm

Very interesting picture.. Look forward to from some, that have some thoughts on this,.

 

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Permalink Reply by Nate on December 11, 2014 at 3:22am

Hi Paul.

I cannot comment on whether this set are genuine or not (though they do look like they have a good chance on being right, and might I suggest a quick opinion from Roger Epperson).  However I do know of 2 of these that have sold in the past couple of years.  One at RR Auctions which was in worse condition to the one above which sold for a little over $1.3k, and then there is one that sold via Iconic Auctions for a whopping $5.6k (remember both these figures would include the buyers premium).  They can be found here:

http://www.rrauction.com/past_auction_item.cfm?ID=3251432

http://iconicauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=35459

And here is the pic of the signatures from Iconic close-up:

That should give you some idea.

 

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Permalink Reply by Nate on December 11, 2014 at 3:34am

Actually a little more digging shows your set you've pictured above recently sold via Tracks Auction for £1.2k (British pounds).  It can be found here:

http://tracksauction.auctionserver.net/view-auctions/catalog/id/58/... 

So that should give you a really go idea of what it's worth.

Here's a close-up of the signatures:

 

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Permalink Reply by Paul Hakimian on December 11, 2014 at 6:14am

Hi guys. Thanks for the help. I actually did the same digging you guys did.what throws me off on this whole thing is how did some sell for so cheap and then one sells on iconic for so much.?that's what's in question. Ihave a feeling that this piece didn't sell on tracks due to a reserve.the seller wants 3700.00.if it is worth what iconic got for it, it's a good deal. Ifit is worth what rr auction got for it, it is not at all a good deal .what to do?what to do?

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Permalink Reply by Nate on December 11, 2014 at 6:38am

That then comes down to personal opinion and how much you want the item.  Arguments have been, and will be, made over and over again about market value, but really it comes down to what value you put on it. 

My personal opinion is $3,700 is the middle ground between the RR and Iconic ones, but at the same time it's a pretty big mark-up on what the seller won it for only last month.  The latest The Who original line-up piece to sell sold only yesterday (RR Auctions) for about $3,000 inc. Buyers premium (see: http://www.rrauction.com/bidtracker_detail.cfm?IN=792), so I would say (and please remember this is only my opinion) that somewhere around $3,000 could be seen as fair.  The Who signed pieces do go for less, but this is a realatively rare piece (though not unique).

But your question can only truely be answered by you.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 11, 2014 at 6:44am

Paul,

Condition and eye appeal are probably why the one at RRAuction sold for only $1,300. Two of the autographs are in black and hard to see compared to the two in blue, and the photo itself doesn't appear to be in as nice shape. I'm not surprised it sold for a fraction of the one at Iconic.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on December 11, 2014 at 7:06am

Agreed. The one that sold for $1,300 has major condition issues. Most deep-pocketed and discriminating collectors are going to avoid an example with significant condition issues and wait for a better one to surface and pay accordingly. 

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Permalink Reply by Paul Hakimian on December 11, 2014 at 8:01am

I agree that the one that sold at rr had signiture issues with John and Keith definitely affecting the price.I also was looking at rr auctions promo card that sold last night.if that went for 3000 with the juice then I would think this I piece is worth at least that much being It is a big picture and the sigs are in front.the sigs are also very decent.something to think about.this would be easy of we all hadn't seen the iconic one that sold for 5600.00

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Permalink Reply by Bruce Juice on December 11, 2014 at 1:53pm

DO NOT BELIEVE ANY of the Iconic Auctions "SOLD" prices. They have shill bidders and also sell their own stuff -- so many times you will see the same item that "sold" for a ridiculously high price magically appear in their future auctions with a low opening bid.  A buyer might think "hey -- this same WHO photo sold before for $5000 so it's gotta be a bargain at $3000!  But it never did sell at $5000 -- the shill bidders ended up buying their own item back.  This is a long time scam they've been running and it needs to be exposed.

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Permalink Reply by Paul Hakimian on December 11, 2014 at 2:25pm

I know about the shill bidding.I have given iconic pieces I'n the past to auction for me.I currently have 4 items I'n the holiday auction that is on right now.shill bidding is something that I've just recently heard of and is no surprise.it's not right at all ,if anything it just totally effs the real value of a piece up permanently.so Bruce ....what do you think I should do I'n regards to this piece?I'm still up I'n the air.he wants 3700.00 I can hopefully talk
him down to 3400 ish...If I'm lucky.is it worth it.?is it not....?I just don't know anymore.
Nate made a good point before,last night RR auctions had a who piece that I've been watching like a hawk for the past 2 wks sell for 3000 with the juice.it was a promo card signed I'n the back.a nice piece but not nearly as nice as this piece which is what you want.a picture with full sigs On the front.nothing better than that but an album.anyway if that sold for 3000 that would man this piece is worth at least that much if not more.unless that piece was also shill bidded.it would be a shame not to pursue a piece on account of confusion.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Baldock on December 11, 2014 at 5:47pm

I would wait, if you have money all you need is patience, a nice piece with good provenance will come up sooner or later. The ball is in your court, you will get something really nice, all it takes is money.

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Permalink Reply by Nate on December 13, 2014 at 2:51am

Paul. I sent a pm, I may have a piece you might be interested in.

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