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Permalink Reply by Dion Hawes on November 23, 2013 at 7:29pm

I'll check at the post office, I did sign a slip the other day, but I thought that was for a different package. It's possible that it's there, but it's strange that there is no tracking number on my account. I'll figure it out.

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Permalink Reply by Dion Hawes on November 26, 2013 at 7:07pm

Got it!!!!! It was at the post office, and nobody seemed to care to notify me?? PSA never gave me a tracking number?

With my card back they gave their standard letter of reasons why they could not authenticate, which is all a bunch of crap! None of their generic failing points is even remotely applicable.

1. Atypical letter slant, angle and/or pitch.

2. Drawn slowly. (Are you kidding me!)

3. Hesitation, tremors, patching and/or pen lifts.

4. Ink doesn't have characteristics normally found with naturally aged ink.

5. Irregular letter shape and/or formation.

6. Irregular spacing between letters.

7. Lacks spontaneity, rhythm, conviction and/or movement.(They can't be looking at the same signature!!!???)

8. Poor line quality and transition between connective strokes.

9. Sizing of letters disproportionate/exaggerated/undersized.(Come on really?)

Adrienne, I looked at that one on ebay they you referred to, submission# 30865960 and mine is ABSOLUTELY EXTREMELY similar, and not ONE collector that has looked at it has said there was anything that indicated that it was not authentic. Before I submitted it to PSA I had it on ebay and collectors universe forum, I had 4 collectors from both sites tell me basically the same I've heard here, That it is genuine and that I should have it authenticated.

I'm just so frustrated, that they can be so wrong and, that they have such a strangle hold on the industry/hobby. In other words, if they don't bless it, it isn't real, even if it is.

Ultimately, I would like to sell the card, but of course as I feel certain of it's authenticity, I want to be able to sell it for what it's truly worth, and now I'm not sure how to go about doing that.

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Permalink Reply by Randy on November 27, 2013 at 5:08pm

Unless you can get JSA or PSA/DNA to authenticate it, your only chance to get close to market value is to find a Munson collector who on their own believes it is authentic and doesn't ask for a guarantee to pass one of those 3rd party authentication companies.

In other words, it is doubtful you will get market value for it. 

William's idea is your best option. The 3rd party authenticators do not spend as much time looking at items for the large auction houses.

The auction houses themselves have their own experts who weed out the really bad items before JSA or PSA/DNA even look at them.

Pick an auction house that uses JSA since they have not looked at the item yet.

However, I doubt it will pass. It is very sloppy for Munson and was obviously signed in a rush if your father got it in person. If there are no exemplars that closely match it, they cannot authenticate it even if they think it might be good.

Permalink Reply by Dion Hawes on November 27, 2013 at 7:57pm

I'm still learning so much about this industry/hobby, thank all of you for all your help.

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Permalink Reply by greta garbo on November 28, 2013 at 6:22am

Wow.  That signature on the '79 card sure doesn't look like it should have passed authentification.  Looks like someone tried to make it look like the signature was signed in a rushed fashion because of Thurman's distaste for signing autographs.  If that signature really was authenticated by PSA/DNA, there's an authenticator there who seriously needs to cut back on the whiskey.  Unless, maybe, the card was submitted to PSA/DNA with a photo of Thurman signing it.

Relieved to read you got your card back, Dion, but disappointed for you that the signature was not authenticated.   You might have luck selling it on eBay. I've seen Autopenned signatures on team-issued photos TM photos go for several hundreds of dollars.  The sellers of those photos have to know they're not real signatures.  In your case, you know that your Dad received the autograph in-person, and that provenance might be enough for someone to spend at least a couple of hundred dollars on it.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on November 28, 2013 at 8:00am

this signature is horrible.  not even close to his late in life style

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Permalink Reply by Dion Hawes on November 28, 2013 at 8:16am

Oh, my gosh! If I had this one, I would totally understand it not being authenticated. You're SOOO right about breaking so many rules, the "Thurman" part looks NOTHING like his sig. Basically, it comes down to the fact that they (PSA or any other authenticator) really have NO idea what's real and what's fake. I've seen so many discussions on how someone will go personally get a signature at a show, then go straight over to PSA and they'll say it isn't authentic. Well, anyways, I'll figure something out. I really appreciate this site and all the helpful commentary. 

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