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Permalink Reply by marc e on December 14, 2018 at 8:20am

if your looking to add resale value to your itiem then anything that steve grad authenticates is worth more.i know it suxs but its the truth


my 2 cents

I don't use them, they all sux but I understand the game and how its played

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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on December 14, 2018 at 8:33am

Thanks, Marc. That's definitely worth considering. I prefer to pick one service. Yes, perception is the new reality. 

It's like picking an insurance policy. I understand the most of the market are just people looking for a specific item and don't care to learn about the hobby. They look for reassurance. I don't blame them with all the negative, although honest, aspects of the hobby.

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Permalink Reply by Macca Fan on December 14, 2018 at 8:34am

Good question Joe

i think it depends on who or what you are Authenticating , for Beatles I only would use Perry Cox , Frank C, Tracks , Roger E ,

Not PSA or Beckett on Beatles 

But PSA and Beckett could be good at other things 

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Permalink Reply by Danny Francis on December 14, 2018 at 8:38am

I agree w Sgt, for sports cards PSA has the market on most items,however, BAS I would choose as best all around. I would also seek specialist in certain items/fields. 

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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on December 14, 2018 at 8:46am

Another plus for BAS. Thanks, Danny!

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on December 14, 2018 at 10:28am

Don't forget all those Roger Waters...

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Permalink Reply by marc e on December 14, 2018 at 8:39am

I agree about  Beatles but if ur reselling it to joe shmoe they will pay more for a Steve one than a Frank or trans. That's just the way it is. They never heard of the other 2 but dam certified by the pawnstars guy now that's something. Lol

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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on December 14, 2018 at 8:42am

Thanks, Sarge! Cox and Frank do not authenticate items for the public. I've tried both. Tracks is across the pond and I'm not aware they provide services either.

Roger is great a music and has a solid reputation with experienced collectors although not an eBay approved service. And, I hate to say this, but I've have had items pulled from eBay with his cert.

There's always consigning to auction houses but that defeats what I like to do. I enjoy being a part. I enjoy matting and creating pieces. I enjoy what I do and never buy based solely on potential. It's got to be something I want to own first.

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Permalink Reply by marc e on December 14, 2018 at 8:54am

correct frank used to but stopped after the lawsuit I belive.

if your doing it for your own piece of mind find the best person, if your looking to resell use steve most bang for your bucks.
for beatles perry cox is really good also

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Permalink Reply by Daniel S. on December 14, 2018 at 9:59am

When it comes to resale, it is not who is the best but rather, who the buying public perceives to be best.  For most items, I agree with you,Joe, PSA DNA has at least historically, been perceived as best.

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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on December 14, 2018 at 10:09am

You are correct, Daniel. Especially if the venue is eBay. It seems eBay is drawing nearer to PSA with their current direct link to quick opinions. It seems JSA is losing some of it's "star power" will more questionable opinions.

As much as I'm not fond of the idea, if a collector or small seller wants to participate competitively they need to have the added certification already included in the package. 

I've seen a definitive difference in the way autographs are being sold in the marketplace. I know some don't like to view autographs as investments but with the high prices of today one would need deep pockets to ignore that they are investments.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on December 14, 2018 at 10:44am

None of which has anything to do with something being authentic. PSA - if I were a newer collector out for the Honeymooners I would be inserious trouble using that company - about 50% of the Jackie Gleason autographs shown on the PSA Facts online page are obvious secretarials by Sydell Spear or just forgeries. That most all Gleason signatures are secretarials has been known for some time, perhaps 6 years - a lot longer then my own work here where I identify each secretary by name and date.

I have never submitted anything and never will. I hate the very term - "submit". I do not buy, sell or recommendanything vandalized with a free advert/sticker/brand.

The "Gleason" below is from PSA Facts (it is in fact by Sydell Spear)...

Here is a JSA - mustn't leave them out...very fake indeed, and you need not know Bowie's signarture to see this.

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