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Chris Morales appears in court for an autograph case, read about the results.

Lovert Bassett vs. Bryan Slaven, Case No. 10 SC 3866

 

I have been in contact with Judge Lovert Bassett in reference to his lawsuit against Autograph Central (Bryan Slaven).  Mr. Bassett purchased eight signed photographs from Autograph Central (Bryan Slaven).  The eight signed photographs contained a total of ten (10) signatures of Bela Lugosi, Boris Karloff, Lon Chaney and Elsa Lanchester.

All ten signatures were authenticated by Christopher Morales, Forensic Investigator.  Mr. Morales testified on Bryan Slaven’s behalf as an expert witness.

The trial was held on March 11, 2011 at the Lake County Illinois Courthouse.

Mr. Bassett’s total purchase price for all eight photographs (a total of ten signatures) was $7, 345.00.

Mr. Bassett, after he took possession of the eight photographs, decided to have PSA examine the ten signatures.  PSA deemed them as “not authentic.”

Mr. Bassett then hired Mr. Robin Williams, a Forensic Document Examiner (FDE), to examine the ten signatures.  Mr. Williams (FDE), using a Stereo-Microscope and other instruments, determined that all ten signatures were traced (forgeries).

According to Mr. Bassett, when Mr. Morales was questioned by Mr. Slaven’s attorney, Mr. Morales referenced “The Autograph Collectors” handbook, photographs from the “Smithsonian Museum” and the Library of Congress as sources for exemplars that he uses to authenticate autographs.

 

What is a "Forensic Investigator" utilizing "State Of The Art Technology" and "Forensics" to examine signatures, doing with the "Autograph Collectors Handbook?" 

 

According to Mr. Bassett, Mr. Morales also testified that he uses business contracts, checks and other financial documents as good sources for exemplars because by their very nature they are most likely to bear the authentic celebrity signature.  However, when questioned by Judge Fusz, Mr. Morales admitted that the COAs he issued for the eight signed photographs (10 signatures) were based on a comparison analysis to each other, rather than on verified third-party exemplars. 

 

According to Mr. Bassett, Mr. Morales testified that he spent 2-3 hours examining each signature.  Being that Mr. Morales examined ten signatures, that equals a minimum of 20 hours of examinations.  And according to Mr. Bassett, Mr. Morales testified that he invoices at the rate of $75.00 per item (not signature).  Being that Mr. Morales forensically examined eight photographs, the total invoice for all eight photos was $600.00.  $600.00 for 20 hours of examination equals $30.00 per hour for Mr Morales.

 

Now let’s get back to the fact that all ten signatures were traced (forgeries).  If Chris Morales is a true “Forensic Investigator,” using “State Of The Art Technology (as per his COA)” how is it possible that he did not determine that all ten signatures of Bela Lugosi, Lon Chaney, Boris Karloff and Elsa Lanchester were all traced (forgeries)? 

 

Judge Michael Fusz made the decision to throw out both Mr. Morales’ expert testimony and the exemplars Mr. Morales said he used to “authenticate” all ten signatures. 

 

According to Mr. Bassett, “BRYAN SLAVEN GAVE ME A FULL $7,345.00 REFUND A WEEK BEFORE THE COURT WAS SCHEDULED TO RENDER A WRITTEN JUDGMENT.”


If Chris Morales, Forensic Investigator, charges $75.00 to authenticate an item, and if that item has 27 signatures (link below), and if Mr. Morales spends a minimum of two hours on each signature, that equals 54 hours.  That comes to an hourly rate of $1.38.

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=272151

I have both spoken and exchanged emails with a number of “Forensic Document Examiners.”  They are not cheap.  I emailed a few FDE’s a photo of an Abraham Lincoln cut signature   and asked for rates to examine it.  The absolute lowest rate I received was a $700.00 flat rate fee.  That was for only one signature.  I also sent a photo of a baseball that was signed by thirteen Presidents (one that was from Coach’s Corner Auctions and certed by Mr. Morales).    The lowest rate I received to examine it was $2,000.00.  The most expensive rate I got back was $18,000.00.  But here’s the real kicker.  The majority of FDE’s that I received a reply from wrote me that they could not examine certain pieces because of the lack of genuine exemplars. 

 

Think about this; if the majority of Forensic Document Examiners (at least the ones I communicated with) had to refuse work I offered them due to the lack of genuine exemplars, then what is Chris Morales using as exemplars for all of the vintage and historical cuts that he “authenticates” for Coach’s Corner?  Most FDE’s require at least ten genuine exemplars.   What exemplars is Chris Morales, Forensic Investigator using to “authenticate” historical cuts of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, etc.? 

 

This month’s Coach’s Corner Auctions for the month of July is up and running.  Up for auction are cut signatures of Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow (separate auctions).  Exemplars for both Bonnie and Clyde’s signatures are almost non-existent.  What exemplars did Chris Morales use to pass them as genuine?

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=275520

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=275521

Mr. Morales is more than welcome to respond to the comments here.  If he disputes any of the comments here I will welcome his reply.  I curiously welcome his input in reference to the exemplars he uses for his examinations of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Mike “King” Kelly, Eddie Plank. Al Capone, Ben “Bugsy” Siegel, Pretty Boy Floyd, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, Geronimo, Josh Gibson, Joe Jackson (baseball), etc. 

 

How many Beatles signed baseballs have you certed as authentic, Mr. Morales?   Coach's Corner Auctions (Lee Trythall & Scott Malack) have another one listed this month and it is certed by you.  Do you ever question where they come from, Mr. Morales, Forensic Investigator?

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot/221/the-beatles-band-signedcertified-offi...

I would also like to ask you a few more questions Mr. Morales.  Mr. Morales, as a “Forensic Investigator,” do you think you have a moral and professional obligation to question all of the rare vintage and historical cuts that Coach’s Corner Auctions sends to you to authenticate every month?  Cut sigs that the major auction houses can only dream about selling. Do you have a moral and professional obligation to question Coach’s Corner about all of the Babe Ruth, Christy Mathewson, Lou Gehrig, etc., autograph items that pass through your hands for authentication every four weeks? 

 

The hobby is interested in your reply, Mr. Morales.  Also, Mr. Morales, you are now on Ebay’s banned list.  How does a “Forensic Investigator” with the credentials that you claim, get on Ebay’s banned list?   The below signed baseball on Coach's Corner Auctions is certed by you.  Look at the Babe Ruth, Mr. Morales.  Did you really spend two hours "forensically" examining that Babe Ruth signature to determine that it is authentic?

 

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot.aspx?LotID=272158


Maybe you can explain this Mr. Morales.   The Coach's Corner Auctions that ended on May 20, 2011, contained 86 auctions certed by you.  Those 86 auctions included a total of 406 signatures.  If you spend a minimum of two hours to examine each signature that crosses your desk, then it took you 812 hours just to "forensically examine" those 406 signatures.  Can you explain that to the hobby.  And that was just for Coach's Corner Auctions.  What about another auction house (I refuse to mention their name) that you "forensically examine" for?  I watch that auction house on a daily basis and there are at least 10 auctions that are listed with your cert.  That means in any given month, you cert at least 300 signatures a month for them.  That's another 600 hours spent "forensically examining" autographs for them.  There are 720 hours in a 30-day month.  The total number of hours explained here totals 1, 112 hours.  And that's just for one month and two companies that you perform "Forensic" examinations for.  According to Mr. Bassett,  Mr. Morales testified that he does work for 6-8 companies. What about the other 4-6 companies that you perform work for?  How many other "forensic" examinations do you perform on a monthly basis for those 4-6 other companies in addition to the  406 items you did for Coach's Corner Auctions and the other 300 items you examined for that other auction company that I will not name?  Please explain that to us.  If my numbers are incorrect, Mr. Morales, please feel free to clarify it for us.

 

Mr. Morales, are you performing actual physical "forensic" examinations on the items that you issue "Certificates Of Authenticity" for?  

 

I would also like to ask Mr. Morales a few questions. Mr. Morales, as a “Forensic Investigator,” do you think you have a moral and professional obligation to question all of the rare vintage and historical cuts that Coach’s Corner Auctions sends to you to authenticate every month? Cut signatures that major auction houses can only dream about selling. Do you have a moral and professional obligation to question Coach’s Corner about all of the Babe Ruth, Christy Mathewson, Lou Gehrig, etc., autograph items that pass through your hands for authentication every four weeks? Did it ever cross your mind, Mr. Morales, where all of this rare vintage, autographed memorabilia originates from?

The hobby is interested in your reply, Mr. Morales. Also, Mr. Morales, you are now on Ebay’s banned list. How does a “Forensic Investigator” with the credentials that you claim, get on Ebay’s banned list?   How does a "Forensic Investigator," using "State Of The Art Technology" get on Ebay's banned list?  The majority of names on Ebay's banned list are from "Operation Bullpen."  Since then, that list has only been updated twice. 

And finally, Mr. Morales, how does a “Forensic Investigator” who claims to be “Court-Approved,” using "State Of The Art Technology" not "forensically" discover that the ten signatures on those eight photos sold to Mr. Bassett were traced?

 

 

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Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 27, 2011 at 10:16pm

Pet,

I agree with you. Morales et al are old news, yet there are new people in the hobby every day. And I also agree with you that buyers need to be better informed about how to buy safely at auction. Many buyers don't realize that they have little or no recourse, even from some of the most respected auction houses.

Comment by Bill Panagopulos on June 27, 2011 at 10:31pm

Do you really want to get me started on that path again? Fake results? Minimum Bids? "Impartial" authenticators?

 

Comment by sling on June 27, 2011 at 10:51pm

Yes these type of online blogs are tremendously useful to consumers.  And the blog community that is created naturally will reflect what is going on in the news---Morales has been the biggest thing in the news on several fronts in the last few years-just as he will be replaced by something else in the future.  Other subjects will follow.

 

Auctions are a great way to buy and sell these type of 1 of a  kind items, but there are good ways to consign and buy (but good ways are not self evident ways) and bad ways to consign and buy (usually presented to you as normal ways).  There is some wiggle room for you to better protect yourself.  I hope to post about next month or will jump into someone else's post on the subject.

Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 27, 2011 at 11:55pm

Bill,

Most collectors don't realize that few auction houses offer guarantees of authenticity of any kind, and that you need to do your due diligence before you bid. That's probably the most important thing to teach buyers by far.

Comment by CJCollector on June 28, 2011 at 2:30am

Bill, I'm not "reveling" in my discovery, but why should I just go away?

And yes, Bill, I remember the Net54 thread (to this date the longest thread on Net54) and you calling out Morales and even offering to pay his expenses for a open forum challenge. 

But what is so wrong about "discovering" facts that are helpful to the naive and ignorant?  To me, Morales is never old news.

Bill, do you not think it is news that Mr. Lovert Bassett was able to secure a full refund for the forgeries he purchased?  Do you not think it is news that Mr. Bassett hired a FDE (Mr. Robin Williams) who determined that that signatures Mr. Bassett purchased were traced? How many times do we hear of collectors actually getting a refund?  It's very rare.

Bill, as a collector, I have been doing this since "Operation Bullpen."   And as a collector, I have every right to ask "If Morales physically examines the items that he issues certs for?"  How does Mr. Morales as a "Forensic Investigator," not be able to determine that the signatures were traced?  Is that not news?

Comment by DB on June 28, 2011 at 3:22am

I understand what (dare I say) Mr. Bill is inquiring of as well as Tresh The 2nd.

 

It's important to keep posting as isn't their a lawsuit against Cyrkin &  Epperson by Morales with regards to defaming his "character".  It would appear that his own work is defaming enough...  but you are right Mr. Bill don't expose one's hand or overplay it until necessary. 

 

but on the other hand for many collectors this information is just amazing (especially for the ones that have no clue, as I once did, about who these shady characters and their friends are)  and Mr. Bill some of us have already notified authorities in certain states but alas the wheels of justce grind slowly.

Comment by Sidney Fields on June 28, 2011 at 5:16am

DB is correct.

 

Law enforcement investigations - especially of white collar crime - can take a LOOOOOONNNNG time.

The lawmen often have little or no expertise in the field.  And the investigations can be immensely complicated, often involving confusing claims and dueling "experts".  It is a major success just to get the law involved in the first place.  So no one fighting the fight should get discouraged.

 

Demonstrating possible wrongdoing may aid law enforcement.  Such information also needs to be out there to help the uninformed before they make purchases they may later regret. (Unfortunately, too few look before they leap).

 

If involved in litigation you do want to be careful about revealing too much before it can help you in court.

 BUT...it is IMPORTANT to keep repeating what people in the know may consider "old" information.  That's because white collar schemers rarely quit.  They most often just keep going and going and going with variations of the same game...sometimes even after getting busted.  It's who they are and it's what they do.

 

By way of example having nothing to do with autographs...14 years ago free electricity scamster Dennis Lee was exposed on national television.  Since then, there have been many more articles and TV pieces.  He's been the target of a number of states attorneys general. But he kept on going...even suing a critic (sound familiar)?

 

In 2009, the FTC finally moved against him and Lee seems to have quieted down.  But I'd bet he comes back.

It's what he does and it's who he is.

That's the way these characters operate.

 

So it's up to honest people in the field to keep exposing them.

In the autograph field, there's no better location for that than this website.  Steve Cyrkin has shown remarkable courage in leading the effort.

 

 

 

 

 

Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 28, 2011 at 1:15pm

There were 10 lots on Alwaysatauction.com today with Morales authentication. 11 autographs total. At the 2-3 hours Morales testified that he spends per signature, that's 22-33 hours. There will probably roughly be that or many more tomorrow. That's just one day on one of their sites--they're the same people that sell autographs through the military exchange. 

How can Morales spend 2-4 days or more authenticating one day's worth of items on one of their sites? 

Comment by CJCollector on June 28, 2011 at 1:23pm
Steve, the other day there were a total of 23 autographs "forensically examined" by Chris Morales, including 15 Joe DiMaggio signed baseballs.
Comment by CJCollector on June 28, 2011 at 1:36pm

Maybe Mr. Morales explain this to us.  The below Mantle signed photo sold for $11.00 plus shipping.  It is not rare at all for Mantle, DiMaggio, Ted Williams, etc., signed photos to sell for under $20.00 on that auction site.   How does the auction site make money after paying Mr. Morales his "Forensic Examination" fee?  Do they get a better rate than $75.00 per item.  $60.00 per item?  $50.00 per item?  Lower?

 

 

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