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Great New Resource of Vintage Hollywood Exemplars!

Just came across this new resource that will surely be a great asset to not only collectors and dealers but 3rd party authenticators, particularly those who specialize in Sports and often seem to "struggle" with non sports, i.e. Hollywood......(hello out there in PSA land....;} )

http://www.thecead.com/

About 6-7 years ago there was a web site that tried the same on a monthly membership basis, but did not survive. Hopefully this site will not only survive but grow and became a "standard" reference. And, do we ever we need standards in this industry!! (you'll hear more about that in my post in the next couple days).

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 12, 2011 at 2:38pm

Thanks for telling us about it, Kevin. What a great site...and needed.

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Permalink Reply by Lou reves on June 12, 2011 at 3:22pm

Are they going to add signatures for the people that they have pictures of in the alphabet listings? I wanted to look at David Niven but no signature? Same for Angela Lansbury? Are they adding to it? When finished it may be a great site for referance.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 12, 2011 at 4:55pm

I noticed the David Niven, too, Louie. I'm impressed with what they've done and their goals. Give 'em time and it's going to be a really important resource. They deserve our support.

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Permalink Reply by kevin conway on June 12, 2011 at 3:31pm

the sight has this note : "791 out of 12,000 projected entries as of June 5, 2011" so so it is a Brand new project, in progress

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Permalink Reply by sling on June 12, 2011 at 4:35pm

A needed site but how do they confirm their exemplars? I have noticed other sources, suc h as RR, have remove photos from their historical results so this is good.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 12, 2011 at 5:56pm

I'm not sure of their methods, but their consultant, Tom Kramer, is a highly respected vintage entertainment expert.

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Permalink Reply by Vince Salvitti on June 12, 2011 at 5:40pm

Noticed looking at the Humphrey Bogart autographs inconsistencies. Also noticed it was RR authenticated, but didn't see any other listed authenticators. Not being familiar with RR and having learned here of the questionable practices of some, do these just look like normal variations based on when signed, how signed, how fast, etc?

Does anyone here know of RR auctions?

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Permalink Reply by kevin conway on June 12, 2011 at 6:13pm

I am sure after they get 12000 exemplars, opinions will be flying around like hungry bats, but again it is a human created product it will NEVER be perfect, but take a look at what we have now. Hence, a big void and in particular many of the professional authenticators mistakes I would bet are largely traced back to the lack of such a resource.......a huge step in the right direction and maybe one day we will live to see services like PSA start to use STANDARDS, in their analysis process. ...image that ? less guesswork and actually follow something that resembles a "standard process" and set of procedures. ..I for one tip my hat to these brave souls!!!....;}

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Permalink Reply by Bob Shinn on June 13, 2011 at 4:56pm

I agree with Kevin that this new resource of Vintage Hollywood Exemplars was needed very badly.

If there are Professional Authenticators that lack the resources to authenticate whatever it is that they authenticate, they better find a new profession.

My problem here with this new site is that although they banner each page with " Confirmed Exemplars",

they do not tell you what they have used for confirmation.

They do tell you at times who provided the exemplars.

There have been published " Vintage Hollywood Exemplar" Studies by some of the most respected Autograph Dealers and Galleries in the Autograph Industry.

Mr. Lanigan, Camner, Hamilton, Raab, Searle to name a few.

The" Autograph Price Guides" written by George and Helen Sanders and Ralph Roberts are also very good resources for Autograph Exemplars not only of Vinatge Hollywood, but also of other Autograph categories as well.

All of the above are excellant published resources to check for very good Exemplars of "Vintage Hollywood"

I am not aware of any published autograph studies available to the public, that have been written by Mr. Eaton or Mr. Kramer.

If they are out there please let me know.

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Permalink Reply by sling on June 15, 2011 at 5:06am

Are there any published sorces for musicians' signatures?

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Permalink Reply by kevin conway on June 15, 2011 at 10:48am

In a few days I will hopefully be posting a new blog entry on my own site blog, "Why we are no longer recognizing PSA results for Non-Sports" when it comes to our own lifetime guarantee. This decision is a result of more than one problem we have had with PSA in just the past few months. It will chronicle case studies , discussions with PSA and other industry experts. And, why in my own experiences, discussions with others and even examples here on this forum, JSA seems to be getting it right with a more credible and reliable process than PSA. I have no beef or benefit to gain with either, just based on my personal, experiences.

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Permalink Reply by Kelly Wilkins on June 19, 2011 at 9:30pm

As a forensic document examiner's pov, signature authentication is the aspect of the science that they don't want to get in, because of the fact that there are so many variables. That being said, I am glad that there is a database out there that has exemplars. I was actually starting my own, since it seems of all my peers, I am the only one willing to do this aspect of being a FDE. Anyway, thanks for the link!

Kelly Wilkins

http://www.houstondocumentexaminer.com