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Permalink Reply by Steve P. on August 7, 2018 at 5:44am

Still need some opinions...

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Permalink Reply by CuJo on August 8, 2018 at 6:26pm

Hey - I do not want to overstep who I am but I have done some movie and TV stuff. I will see if I can get this to one of Chuck's people and ask him what he thinks and tell them I don't want a friend to get stung. I will see what he says. sometimes the story behind the signature helps too obviously. I guess if I look at what is signed this might help me too. I will look at the photos of the signatures now. I just don't want everyone with a Chuck Norris signature to come to me for authentication now.

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Permalink Reply by Steve P. on August 9, 2018 at 5:53am

Thanks. There is no story behind the sig except it was obtained in person not identified. I doubt it was the dealer who sold it to me.

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Permalink Reply by CuJo on August 9, 2018 at 4:16pm

Steve - My guys with the Chuck Norris camp said that if it isn't someone did a great job of making it look like Chuck's signature. I thought it was legit too. I hope this helps - CuJo 

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Permalink Reply by Steve P. on August 10, 2018 at 6:32am

So they think it is legit and not secretarial?  Not enough coffee yet...lol

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Permalink Reply by CuJo on August 10, 2018 at 5:52pm

Let's just say I have seen a ton of Chuck Norris signatures and his crew and I would say this looks good. I have had real signatures, not Chuck Norris, been claimed to be not real by self proclaimed autograph experts. I have been around a lot of celebrities and at a lot of autograph signings to include watching them sign memorabilia and or photos and what not and it is not a perfect process. Pens have issues - hands get tired - while signing different items the pen or article surface they are signing can cause problems. The lighting they are standing in can cause problems as well as their signing environment. Are people talking to them while they are signing? Are they outside and the weather is effecting their signing? Etc. I am not saying that analyzation techniques shouldn't take place to verify signatures, but I am just saying that it is not a perfect process. And with the forgery signature business being a billion dollar annual industry we will always be wondering, and even if we saw the signing personally, there are always going to be nay sayers. I wish I had started a verification business like PSA and or JSA years ago...which brings me to to not even get me started on some of these new grading companies who only put out 10's on their ratings like WCG - what does WCG stand for anyway? We Can't Grade? 

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Permalink Reply by Steve P. on August 11, 2018 at 11:43am

I got four things signed by Don Knotts at a sit-down casino signing in Black Hawk, CO and all for were slightly different so I know what you mean.

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Permalink Reply by Woody2Shoes on August 11, 2018 at 12:36pm

Hard to tell with Chuck as his is typically a very simply formed, no frills, basic autograph. I'm 45/55 on this one, Chuck vs. secretarial Chuck.

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Permalink Reply by Woody2Shoes on August 13, 2018 at 5:04pm

What strikes me most about it is that although the "vibe" is in the plausibility zone, it looks too neat, too practiced for Chuck. I've never gotten Chuck in person but on Bruce Lee double signed pieces, in cases where the owner stated that he got the Chuck in person himself, Chuck's signature had a more "adolescent", sloppier and harder quality about it, rather than as neat and "adult" as this one, especially that it looks written by a much lighter hand than Chuck's. That's what strikes me on the macro level about being off about it as well as a few other lesser issues.

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Permalink Reply by Jason Strecker on August 13, 2018 at 3:07pm

Did Chuck use a secretary at all or any particular time periods?

When I first started collecting ttm in 2000, he had stopped completely signing ttm for free and by mid 2000s I know he starting autograph being solely sold on his website.

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Permalink Reply by Steve P. on August 13, 2018 at 4:07pm

The autograph I posted was obtained in 1997.

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Permalink Reply by KatoTheMaster on August 14, 2018 at 2:26am

The item in question to me looks more like an secretarial signed autograph.

That being said some parts of look good others not so good. I do believe that if this was signed by Chuck with Best Wishes 90% sure he would of added a name to it, this could/may of  been removed. But if this was obtained in person in 1997 was this signed on a plane with turbulance?? look how the chuck and the norris part are both vertical on either side of each other very odd indeed. never have seen that before from him. 

What needs to be done is to find some real examples of real on the street signatures from him or from past shows like muscle and fitness and martial art cons etc. from years ago from when he would of done signing. Not going by his very recent signings at the comic cons in the US etc his signatures look tiny and nothing like what has been seen in the past.

Now would he of signed on the streets? Maybe years ago if you found him on film sets etc or at public events/premiers. but now very much doubt now he would because of the comic cons and getting paid to sign etc. He even pulled out of the German comic con as I believe they didnt make the money in pre-orders etc to get him because only letting him sign 2 items per person from what I was told.

As for asking the celebrities or the agents about an item don't think you will always get the right answer. I know of Bruce Campbell does it but one item that was from an good seller in the UK.  that I do buy from an customer tweeted him asking if the item was any good?. It was an army of darkness photo his reply was something like I know I always add ash... I have seen plenty item when he has not added that. So you just got to go with your judgement.

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