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Babe Ruth Autograph - Is It Real?
Hi everyone,
Does this Babe Ruth autograph look real in your opinion?
Thanks!
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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The first thing I noticed when I saw Daniel's Harrison a year or so ago was that it didn't have the natural characteristics of human writing. There's a precision and smoothness that we're incapable of for more than a short stroke, at best.
The horizontal connecting strokes in George from the E to O, O to R, and R to G are uncannily similar.
On Harrison, the A to R and R to R are almost identical. The perfect curve connecting the O to N, and the remarkably smooth and straight line finishing the N are machine-like.
Another important thing to notice is that the S of Harrison on Daniel's looks like an O. Harrison's S often looks much like an O, but there's at least a tiny peak that gives it the semblance of an S. On Daniel's it looks like an O...no hint of anything else.
Compare Daniel's Harrison to other examples posted here and in the comparo image I uploaded. Those look signed by hand to me; Daniel's Harrison looks designed and manufactured.
Then there's the ink and paper. The autograph looks like it could have been signed yesterday. There's no fading; no ageing beyond a touch of obligatory stain or residue below the top-right corner.
And it's signed a blank piece of paper or index card. Most rock autographs are signed on something printed or an autograph album page.
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Alayof on
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No fading? the autograph is 20%-30% faded. A machine? If it was a machine and not a human hand, I guess Perry would have noticed that in his physical inspection - it's basic. It is enough to look at it in magnifying glass to see that it is not a machine, but a real blue ballpoint pen's ink by a human hand.
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It's signed in ballpoint pen. No doubt, it's definitely live ink. But it's either signed by sophisticated technology or by someone with a remarkable ability to replicate a signature.
If the experts who thought it was genuine looked at the seller's other items, they may have had reservations.
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Roger Epperson's opinion on my George Harrison:
Paul Wane from Tracks UK offers a price to buy my George Harrison (a good friend of mine checked with him):
Jason from Tracks UK opinion on my George Harrison:
Beckett opinion on my George Harrison:
Perry Cox COA for my George Harrison:
Opinions of AML members on my George Harrison (please notice for Terrier comments and opinion):
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The auction for this Babe Ruth autograph was ended a few hours ago and sold for $1826 with 7 bids and 6 different bidders. Is it an authentic autograph or not?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-Signed-Cut-/303278185399?_trksid...
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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Considering sellers penchant for selling little forged uninscribed slips of paper I would just move on. Bad source.
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I don't think the Babe Ruth is real, but I don't think the bids were legit either.
A screenshot of the bidding history is below, linked to the bidding history page on eBay. In red next to each bidder is how many total bids they placed on how many different items in the last 30 days.
This lot opened on Sept. 8 but no one bid until today, about 2 hours before the auction closed. That bidder placed a bid at the starting price of $750. That was the only bid he placed. His bidding history shows that he has placed 5 bids total in the last 30 days, on 5 different items: 1 bid per item. The lot was then auto-bid by eBay up to $760.
The next bidder bid $780 in the final minutes that was the only bid they placed. They placed 75 total bids in the last 30 days on 49 items. Not as blatant as others but still an oddly low amount of total bids for 49 items. The lot was then auto-bid by eBay up to $790.
The next bidder bid $1,377.77, almost $600 more than the last bid. That was the only bid they placed on the Babe, but that's not surprising. They placed 181 total bids in the last 30 days on 181 items: 1 bid per item.
Notice the next big jump in bids, from $1,453 to $1,801: almost $350 when a $25 increase in bid is all that's required. That bidder has placed 540 bids in the last 30 days on 540 items: 1 bid per item.
This is blatant shill bidding IMO.
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+1!
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Do you claim that these bids are fabricated? The winning bidder will or will not pay? The seller will or will not receive money?
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Looking at the history of the bidding and the bidders, what do you think, Daniel?
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I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what is the problem with the bidding history of this auction. All the bidders came in the last hours of the auction? That's normal. The bidders who have 181 bids on 181 items and 540 bids on 540 items have tens of thousands of feedbacks. What should I infer from all this data? All this data tells me nothing.
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