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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on March 20, 2021 at 8:16am

thanks Mark, I already have a really nice signed JLL album, but could not pass this one up for the price.

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Permalink Reply by Chad B on March 20, 2021 at 9:03am

This one is beautiful. Good grab. 

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on March 20, 2021 at 11:50am

I believe the “internet fraud” refers to claims of secretarial TTMs. So they used those claims to feign outrage and raise the price for a secretarial signature? Jordan paid for a tour of the Lewis ranch, purchased a poster, and paid $200 for a signature and it’s secretarial? They hung a photo with a secretarial signature in the music room? To fool people? It seems far-fetched to me.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on March 20, 2021 at 12:22pm

none of it makes any sense, and I don't think we will ever know for sure.  It comes down to a personal decision and what you are comfortable with.  

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on March 20, 2021 at 4:54pm

Here’s a signed “Jammin’ Johns” toilet seat. Yes, it’s a toilet seat.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on March 21, 2021 at 1:52pm

This is the thread that I love to hate, and sadly I can’t stop following it. I’ve sworn it off numerous times, yet keep getting pulled back. LOL

For what it’s worth, I believe there’s a strong likelihood that the exemplars are corrupted. It all needs to be stripped down to square one and rebuilt with exemplars that are ironclad, 100% authentic. Anything that was obtained through the mail in the last decade should not be used. 

I have a hard time believing that an 80 something-year-old stroke victim with numerous health problems is ripping off the smoothly signed signatures with dedications and inscriptions. Especially when exemplars from 20 something years ago were much more jagged and labored. Signatures don’t tend to get smoother with old age. It doesn’t add up. But, to get to the bottom of it, real evidence and exemplars need to be used. That’s the only way it will ever be solved. 

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on March 21, 2021 at 2:02pm

Steve, your last point is what I keep going back to in my mind.......I have a barely legible JLL signed on the back of a business card that is probably 30 years old, and it is jagged and sloppy.  there are certain characteristic in his inscriptions that were consistent, and for some reason, they have now seemed to disappear in the TTM signatures.  It is really difficult for me to rationalize that.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Roberts on March 21, 2021 at 6:05pm

Hello Steve - 

I hear you on the Thread that just cant die..  lol. 

Start a NEW one.  I will do my best to provide of all the examples I have in my collection that are NOT TTM.  I have about 20 or so

thanks

Mark

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on March 21, 2021 at 3:33pm

What was the verdict on the “God bless you” inscription on Dave’s TTM signed LP? Same hand as the signature?

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on March 21, 2021 at 9:13pm

Is anyone familiar with “Tony’s Autograph City”? He claims that this is an in-person signature.

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Permalink Reply by Henry K on March 21, 2021 at 9:26pm

I guess anything is possible, but to my eyes, that autograph and the one on the toilet seat look like the “Jerry Lee Lewis” as written on the price list (likely by Judith) and not like the stamped signature on the price list. 

The stamped signature looks much more like the one I got at a concert at BB King’s in NYC 10+ years ago. 

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on March 21, 2021 at 9:35pm

That would seemingly mean that Judith wrote the “God Bless You” inscription on Dave’s LP and then JLL signed it?

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