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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES on November 25, 2022 at 6:08am

Jason H 

"We now have evidence that he sold Auto pen/Auto pencil art prints to customers. Their thought process alone is absolutely disturbing at this level."

+1 RIGHT YOU ARE JASON! TOLD YA SO!!!

As soon as we had accumulated all the evidence to prove without doubt that BOB DYLAN & HIS GANG OF FRAUDSTERS had indeed employed an autopen to "sign/autograph" his Philosopy book and scam his fans - I wrote to Jason and said "THERE'S MORE FRAUD HERE, THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING...LET'S CHECK OUT HIS ART PRINTS & MONDO SCRIPTO".

The more you scratch the surface of Dylan's "signings", the more fraud will bleed out.

The more you peel this onion of Dylan's "signings", the more fraud we'll find at Dylan's core.

*****Let's keep this up Autograph Live members & BE SURE TO KEEP ALL SOCIAL MEDIA, PRINT MEDIA, & TV MEDIA UP TO DATE !!! THIS IS GONNA BE HUGE!!! *****

"Now, yonder stands a man in this lonely crowd A man who swears he's not to blame All day long I hear him shouting so loud
Just crying out that he was framed

I see my light come shining From the west down to the east Any day now, any day now
I shall be released"

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Permalink Reply by Findbooks on November 25, 2022 at 8:29am

Is there any correlation between the dodgy signings and numbering of the prints?

Just a thought - if the print is an open edition, i.e. not limited/numbered - then Dylan may have chosen not to sign any of them. Normal practise, that, no requirement for a signature, some are and some aren't. 

In this case, the addition of autopen or secretarials would almost certainly be down to the distributor/gallery, who might have reasoned that they might not be able to shift them otherwise.

Some of his paintings aren't bad but he is not going to be added to the pantheon of Great American Painters and when you think that you can pick up a signed Chagall print occasionally for £2000 or £3000, Dylan's artworks are vastly overpriced i.m.o. This is borne out by the fact that you can see them regularly on ebay for well below gallery prices.

Looks like he is finished but in his defence this should be considered at least.

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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES on November 25, 2022 at 9:14am

OMG  Servi !!! 

BOB DYLAN FRIGGING USED AUTOPEN AND AUTOPENCIL COMBINATION TEMPLATES ON HIS "HAND SIGNED" $25,000 ART PRINTS !!!

THIS IS MA$$IVE FRAUD, AND DYLAN KNOWINGLY PARTICIPATED !!!

KEEP DIGGING GUYS! well done everyone!

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Permalink Reply by Findbooks on November 25, 2022 at 9:15am

How are they limited - this is my point. Are they actually numbered by the artist?

If they are numbered then they are most certainly limited. If they are not numbered - in the hand of the artist - then it is an open edition, more copies of which can be printed off at any time in the future. They are not "limited" because the gallery says so.

The convention for a limited edition print is that they are normally numbered and signed by the artist.

So that's what I was thinking but in the face of all this evidence I hereby decline to think anymore about it.

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Permalink Reply by Lars Olav Karlsen on November 25, 2022 at 9:35am

We have to remember they this is original art as well - nobody buys this at 25 000 to get an autograph when you can get one at 2 500.

But I belive a lot has bought the «cheaper» to get an autograph

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Permalink Reply by Lars Olav Karlsen on November 25, 2022 at 10:26am

Absolutely - I just commented on people multiplying the sales prices and saying its a big fraud because the sales prices are high. These would also have sold if people knew they were not originaly signed, but at a lesser price.

We need to get the truth out here.

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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES on November 25, 2022 at 9:17am

excellent points to look into  Findbooks ! 

Let's all keep digging! 

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on November 25, 2022 at 8:54am

Still no proof of secretarials.. if this is going to be a legal battle at some point, its important to stick to facts. Its ok to speculate about secretarials but its best not to talk about them as a certainty until we have undeniable proof. Trust me, im researching the secretarial angle still, even if our opinions clash, it needs to be thoroughly investigated. We all know its a possibility.. if anyone runs into convincing examples of a secretarial signature, please post info and pictures showing how you made that connection. It must be from a known in-person autograph example. Not something Dylans management had for sale or an item no one ever saw being signed

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Permalink Reply by Lars Olav Karlsen on November 25, 2022 at 9:13am

There is no problem with speculation, but then be honest about it ;)

Some people write about Dylan secreterials on art as it was proven - and there are none of that

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Permalink Reply by Tony on November 25, 2022 at 9:17am

Your doing Gods work . Don’t let anyone else tell you otherwise 

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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES on November 25, 2022 at 9:25am

+1

Permalink Reply by Jason H on November 25, 2022 at 9:19am

Maybe it was just the way your previous comment was worded.. im on the move today and checking things quickly from my phone so I dont fall behind. Reading it again, I may have taken it wrong. 

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