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Bob Dylan AUTOPEN Info To Help With Returns / Refunds - Simon & Schuster, Premiere, and Coles
***URGENT UPDATE
Previous update
Some users have uncovered potential autopen use within Bob Dylan's expensive art prints. Please check your prints if you own one and post a picture on this thread if you have any concerns.
here is a link to one of his art prints in question
https://www.castlefineart.com/art/bob-dylan/cactus
*UPDATE - Let this be a warning to ALL publishers and celebrities in the future. We are sick and tired of these autopen releases. Our community has had enough and absolutely will not stand for this practice to continue any longer!!!
I want to point out that Coles Books needs to be commended. They made sure to look out for their customers and refused to ship these out if they came from the same S&S stock, which they did. It was also an easy process to cancel orders beforehand if you wished. Coles. on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for having integrity and watching out for all of us.
I can NOT say the same about Premiere Collectibles. They refused to honor cancelation requests until it was known these books were in fact autopenned. They advertise themselves claiming they are collectors themselves. This is not true. They are a retailer first and only care about your money. There have been other autopen incidents where they absolutely refused to accept blame, stating items were real when they were clearly deemed autopen by the community. Be careful with future purchases with Premiere Collectibles.
This email came directly from Jonathan Karp at Simon and Schuster. If anyone still wishes to send him a message, here is his email address as well.
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
We apologize for the mistake that was made and are offering a full refund of your purchase. Please keep your copy of The Philosophy of Modern Song at no cost. We hope you will enjoy reading it.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Karp
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ORIGINAL POST
I am creating this thread as a comprehensive all in 1 link for returns, refunds, chargebacks and claims made regarding the "signed" edition of Bob Dylan - The Philosophy Of Modern Song. Please use this link to email Simon & Schuster, Coles, and Premiere Collectables as 100% proof these were signed using an autopen machine.
I would like to say right off the bat, Coles Books in the UK is handling this professionally and seem to care deeply about their customer base. They have stated that, once they are in hand, If they find evidence of them being autopenned, they will cancel all orders.. Kudos to Coles.. I wish all retailers would follow their lead. If you wish to cancel your order with them immediately instead of waiting, It seems to be an easy process.
This post will be continuously updated with new information over the next few days
Please refer to this article for the time being until more information is added
https://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk-1290-cjbk/news/collectors-quest...
Here is the post I created a few weeks ago with info regarding the Indigo incident.
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/indigo-bob-dylan-po...
So far, there have been a total of 17 confirmed different templates for the autopen machine used for Bob Dylans signature. I am in the process of creating video comparisons for all 17 sets. Please post full page photos of your item as they are delivered to aid in this process
Here are all 17 templates used by Bob Dylan - I am still looking for full page photos for numbers 8,13 and 15 thru 17 but its still best to post whatever you receive
Be aware when checking against your own copy, it has come to light that they are possibly using 1st and last names interchangeably. Bob in #2 matches perfectly with Bob in #13 while Dylan in both are different
14th variation confirmed
15th variation
16th variation - Seems to be almost an exact combination of #11 and #13 with a different vertical line in his "D"
17th variation
Video and photo comparisons created so far
Video of set 1 Dylan1.mp4 - Photo of set 1 Dylan1.JPG
Video of set 2 Dylan2.mp4 - Photo of set 2 Dylan2.JPG
Video of set 3 Dylan3.mp4 - Photo of set 3 Dylan3.JPG
Video of set 4 Dylan4.mp4 - Photo of set 4 Dylan4.JPG
Video of set 5 Dylan5.mp4 - Photo of set 5 Dylan5.JPG
Video of set 6 Dylan6.mp4 - Photo of set 6 Dylan6.JPG
Video of set 7 Dylan7.mp4 - Photo of set 7 Dylan7.JPG
Video of set 9 Dylan9.mp4 - Photo of set 9 Dylan9.JPG
Video of set 10 Dylan10.mp4 - Photo of set 10 Dylan10.JPG
Video of set 11 Dylan11.mp4 - Photo of set 11 Dylan11.JPG
Video of set 12 Dylan12.mp4 - Photo of set 12 Dylan12.JPG
Video of set 14 Dylan14.mp4 - Photo of set 14 Dylan14.JPG
Here are the COAs stating these books were in fact hand-signed
Suzanne Baboneau for UK - Certificate Of Authenticity UK.jpg
Jonathan Karp for USA - Certificate Of Authenticity USA.JPG
Coles listing before it was removed - Coles Website Listing.jpg
Important emails:
Jonathan Karp US - CEO of Simon & Schuster
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
Duane Ward of Premiere Collectables
duane@premierespeakers.com - Others have tried duane@premierecollectables.com
Suzanne Baboneau, Managing Director
suzanne.baboneau@simonandschuster.co.uk
Ian Chapman, UK - CEO
ian.chapman@simonandschuster.co.uk
Bob Dylan's Manager
Jeff Kramer
OK Management
275 South Beverly Drive
Suite 215
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Phone: 310-535-1647
Bob Dylan's Agent
Brian Greenbaum
Creative Artists Agency
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067
Phone: 424-288-2000
Bob Dylan's Production Agent
Sony/Columbia/CBS Records
550 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
Phone: 212-833-7305
Bob Dylan's Law Firm
Manatt Phelps & Phillips
11355 West Olympic Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90064
Phone: 310-312-4000
Bob Dylan's Twitter
Tweet or privatly message Bob on his verified Twitter account.
https://twitter.com/bobdylan/
Bob Dylan's Facebook
Post or message Bob on his verified Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/bobdylan/
I also found this email associated with Bob Dylans store. Its worth a try
BOBDYLAN@EPICRIGHTS.COM
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Dolly Parton is also guilty of using multiple autopens in the same fashion with multiple templates over the years but with a slight twist where they manipulate the page as the autopen machine writes her signature. If we are looking to stop all future attempts at autopen usage, she needs to be held accountable just as much as Bob Dylan and S&S. Link to threads below
Here is a great example provided by Eric Keith Longo
Dolly Parton Autopen Example.jpg
http://www.feelnumb.com/2022/03/09/dolly-parton-fake-autograph-song...
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/dolly-parton-signed...
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Permalink Reply by Nichole on
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In your endeavors to help, you’re a bit abrasive
people have written to me about your behavior and your comments and accusations about me.
helping people is fantastic and is appreciated but social grace goes a long way as well.
I will say, i too, can come off as a total beach to many when provoked. I haven’t really done that here. No need but whew. I don’t want to sit here and be this hypocrite when lol omg you have no idea. Lol <3
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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Permalink Reply by Jason H on
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Where do you come up with this stuff? Uneducated? Ive been a collector since 1991 although with gaps in between certain years. You are still fighting me.. why? Armstrong? Why is he in on this now? Because your mind is somewhere off in space, thats why.. I guarantee you that authenticating his signature is based off of knowledge of other items 100% known authentic examples where there is related proof accompanying them.
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InkInvestor, we are respectful to each other here. That's the rule. And don't insult people. Argue all you want but don't make it personal.
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Permalink Reply by PFCollector on
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I don't think it's that TPAs/experts cannot be trusted or that anyone is saying that... I think you're arguing 99.9% proof with 100% proof. A signature you seen signed yourself, or see a video of it directly being signed (as long as the video isn't altered obviously, but that's a whole other can of worms) you can be 100% sure that's real.
On the other hand if you do due diligence and get every expert opinion you can, you can be 99.9% sure you have a real signature... but never 100%. TPAs have made mistakes in the past which makes it impossible to say that 100% of the things they pass, are 100% real, 100% of the time. In the end they're just educated opinions. Which most of the time is the best option we have.
Whether anyone wants to accept either as proof of something being real is their choice, if 99.9% is good enough for you, it's good enough. If it's not, it's not... but I can see why, with Dylan alone (being a huge liar that despises signing and apparently his fans), and under these circumstances (not being able to trust anything him or his team says) why it would make sense to look for 100% proof to compare to. What they've put out as "real" can't be trusted imo... Whether that 100% proof exists is a whole different question.
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Permalink Reply by Lars Olav Karlsen on
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251 Bob Dylan Hand Signed and / or Autopenned items currently for sale in the UK
https://www.castlefineart.com/art/q/bob%20dylan/p/2
I hope Castle bought them on Sale or return as they won't be able to give any Dylan Prints away before long!
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Really, really stinks. I'd been considering buying some "less expensive" Dylan art from Castle recently and now I don't want to give a cent to either party. Just a big steaming pile of garbage on both sides.
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Sad. I’m such a fan and I’ve met him 4 times. I’ve talked to him at length I own harps he’s played. Clothes of his. Set lists he write. Other items that actually belonged to him. I’ve seen him from the front row well over 100 times. He’s acknowledged me so many times. I mean he knows my face. I even have it on video… he walks out of his line up, leans across his piano, and points to me etc. He did it all the time. I know what he is though. Guy has his issues. But this is just killing me. I’m so mad and so sad all at the same time. He’s a jerk. And I hate this happened
They took his name down. They should but it makes me sad.
when this began at first I never knew he was involved. Then I found out somehow he was. That’s when I assured everyone before it was tied to the prints he was involved. I never knew it was tied to that last few sets of prints. I wanna puke really. I’ve lost sleep over it. Ugh
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