Authenticity is Everything
Beatles Album Page Authenticated by Beckett
I saw this on FB and thought it may be wise to post here as well for research later on with these new autopen machines coming out. Might be best to gather as many examples as possible. I mentioned in the other discussion that we may start seeing some fantastic items pop up. Will these be from scared collectors, of forgeries too good to figure out? You be the judge. Keep an open mind and don't assume anything at this point
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Permalink Reply by michelle
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I have often wondered how there appears to be an endless supply of fully signed Beatles autographs up for sale, after all they didnt sign that many
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Permalink Reply by JDZelenka
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They did sign prolifically as they went up and down the UK in 1963 and were less accessible after that. Fans would get them at stage door, in coffee shops, on the way to the venue and myriad other places. They performed more than 200 times in 1963 and if you assume they did an average of five complete sets for each venue that alone would be more than 1,000. In addition they also held a signing session for hundreds of fans in Wimbledon and one earlier smaller one in Widnes I think. The point is full sets would top more than 1,000 easily although I have never seen an attempted calculation of the number, In addition, solo signatures run into the thousands each due to their various signed limited editions such as the Bag One. As time goes on and the original fans pass into the midst of time, there are fewer and fewer unseen autographs from the original fans entering the markets and most that circulate are from after resellers.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin
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Looks like they got Buddy Holly and the Crickets around at the same time
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The set in OP sold at Sothebys late last year. Sold $6k ish.
https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2025/rock-pop/the-beatles-8
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Cheap.
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A nice looking set, if it is live ink. It would be great if there was a database somewhere of hundreds of authentic examples. Perhaps there is a copyright issue with such a venture. There were some online attempts years ago, venue by venue, year by year. Closest I have seen is the new book by Tom Fontaine jam packed with examples formerly in his collection.
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It's live ink. But John and George weren't.
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Did Tom publish a new book? He published one like that in 2018.
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Yes a new book out called Looking Back - the Final Trip, an extended version of the last book published some years ago.
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Thanks.
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I don't think that the Beatles set in the OP is real. I feel the same way about the Buddy Holly and the Crickets set I posted yesterday from the same seller.
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Permalink Reply by Ryan
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Hi all,
I am the original poster of the Beatles set and the Buddy Holly set linked further below. We try our best to take authenticity concerns very seriously and for our part when acquiring pieces we tend to research them quite extensively. As far as these two sets go, they were originally culled from autograph albums which contained other contemporary signers which I've provided links for below.
The Buddy Holly set was purchased at the below link, and before that it sold in 2017 through UK dealer memorabilia-uk.co.uk. They note that the autographs originated from Rosemary Dent who was the Stage Manager at the New Theatre in Cambridge. We felt that not only did the Crickets set in the album look good, the provenance and the other signers also looked spot on.
https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/44099206e61e6164d5583...
We were also able to originally trace The Beatles set to this autograph album sold by Chiswick in 2022 again the album also contained other - albeit less notable - contemporary signers:
https://www.chiswickauctions.co.uk/auction/lot/lot-159---autograph-...
We are always open to thoughtful, constructive discussion regarding authenticity. When appropriate, we are happy to share relevant background that helps inform and support the item’s legitimacy.
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