Authenticity is Everything
Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
****This topic (and the forum) have gained media attention. Please see these articles for more information:
https://radaronline.com/p/liza-minelli-autopen-signature-memoir-sca...
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2026/may/12/liza-minnelli-memoir-...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/liza-minnelli-fans-demand-refunds-ove...
https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Liza-Minnellis-Signed-Memoir-...
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****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.
You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.
****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****
Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.
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- Collectors have identified repeatable signature patterns across multiple copies of Liza Minnelli’s signed memoir.
- Overlay analysis reveals identical geometry and spacing in specific segments, an outcome not consistent with natural handwriting.
- There’s a growing view on this forum that this reflects a repeatable mechanical process, potentially involving advanced autopen use built from older verified signatures.
Recent news coverage also raises questions about whether Liza would have been able to sign books in the consistently pristine manner seen here.
There has also been widespread speculation among Liza’s fans on social media that the audiobook may involve AI-assisted voice technology, with some questioning whether the audiobook voice is a true recording or an AI-generated version of her voice.
UPDATE 4/1/26: JSA has classified the book signatures as "inconclusive," meaning they are unable to definitively confirm or deny the authenticity of the signature.
⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures
Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath (appears to be only on US editions):
The signature from the book cover above matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)
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***FURTHER OBSERVATIONS***
- Multiple members of this forum have observed indications that a modern, high-volume autopen system may be involved. One example is the UUNA TEK iAuto Premium, which demonstrates the level of precision and consistency seen with the Liza signatures. According to Steve Cyrkin, the founder of Autograph Live, the results appear consistent with this type of technology. A higher-volume model such as the Ultimate could also be capable, as the underlying signing mechanism appears similar, according to Steve.
- Additionally, members on the forum have observed evidence suggesting the use of multiple marker types: some signatures appear consistent with a standard medium-point Sharpie-style marker, while others show characteristics of a chisel-point tip. Variations in stroke width within a single line (such as tapered sections in circular elements like the face) support this, as pointed out by Steve Cyrkin.
- Demonstration videos of the UUNA TEK iAuto show that not only the pen moves, but the paper itself shifts in short, controlled motions during signing. As has been noted by members of the forum, this could help explain the consistent geometry and repeatable structure observed across multiple signatures.
Please see this video to learn more on how this technology works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by TRM5PGA
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Gotta love how Very Fine Books is dying on the hill. Emmanuel Manetakissssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Hello
Good morning and greetings from VFB. You are receiving this message because you had expressed interest in the new Limited Signed First Edition of "Kids, Wait Till Your Hear This!" by Liza Minnelli.
Addressing the auto-pen rumors
As you may be aware, there has been some speculation online about the possibility of use of an auto-pen for this signed edition. However, after serious consideration taking into account all the information available, we have made a determination that this appears to be false.
The signed books for this edition were obtained from her publisher. The publisher has confirmed that all books for this edition were hand-signed by Liza Minnelli herself.
Minnelli has been famous for a very long time, and she has had over a year to sign these books for her fans all over the world.
Careful Examination
Each one of the 100 autographs for this tray-cased edition have been carefully examined in great depth and detail. Each one is slightly different, having many variations, characteristics and consistent with her autograph. She has even provided a photo of her signing the books.
Random sample of autographs
We have taken 12 random signed books from the 100 to illustrate that each autograph is different from each other. This is inconsistent with the use of any auto-pen. For example, if you examine the drawing of the smiley face, you can clearly see that they are all different and in a different position with respect to "Love, Liza".
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Permalink Reply by Matt M.
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Lol, he’s really trying to move those remaining $400 editions but as we know:
- Publisher confirmation is not proof
-Being famous for a long time is also not proof
- JSA has declined to authenticate them
- A staged signing photo involving one tipped-in page proves nothing about how the full run was produced and does not prove all copies were hand-signed.
- Sure, let’s assume she had over a year. Are we really supposed to believe she spent that time carefully reproducing signatures that are this structurally close across massive numbers of copies?
- On that note, did he see footage from Liza’s LA book event, where she appeared physically incapable of that level of signing?
- We’re learning that modern autopen systems are capable of producing signatures with realistic variation (slight changes in size, angle, spacing, pressure, positioning, etc). Some systems can move both pen and paper simultaneously to create more natural-looking motion and flow. The fact that signatures appear “slightly different” is no longer enough to rule out mechanical involvement.
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Permalink Reply by Jason H
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We should all send a link to this comment to Very Fine Books and laugh in their face. I wonder if they really believe this themselves and its not just a marketing lie. Tell them to submit it to JSA if they are so confident in their authentication abilities lol. Waste of time overall unless their potential customers could view the conversation as well
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