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Permalink Reply by DB on August 13, 2012 at 4:13am

That would be my view.   However, the problem I see here is someone is right & someone is wrong.  We can soft soap it anyway one likes but

either   Epperson is on target and Aring is a lying -or- Aring is correct and Epperson misfired.  Because of the presumed indepth anyalsis that was done it stands to reason that Epperson made his call and Cyrkin went with it. 

We have also seen cases here a number of times when something is called good  but will be retracted and sometimes years later as we saw with a 1997 hendrix or a babe ruth ball recently.

If it is still deemed a non-authentic piece then we will have to draw on our conclusions.   We have also had reports here of "more trustworthy" posters indicating an item they had obtained in person had been failed by either PSA or JSA.  Then again, those are more "commercialized" TPAs and not focused specialists.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 13, 2012 at 8:48am

We built the cover the Thriller album was used on just days after Michael Jackson died. When Roger looked at the autograph and told me it was a forgery, I didn't know much about MJ. But as we started researching and writing the article, looking at hundreds of Michael Jackson autographs good and bad, it became easy to tell that it wasn't real.

Among other things, comparing it to genuine Michael Jacksons, you'll notice that the small letters are just squiggles...and especially uniform in "Jackson." There's no attempt at actually forming the small letters, which there would be if someone was signing their name. Compare that to the genuine ones in our Michael Jackson feature and I think you'll see what I mean:

http://autographmagazine.com/2010/01/michael-jackson-remembered-in-...

But the best thing to do is ask specialists who know Jackson well. I think you'll have a hard time finding ones who think it's real.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 11, 2012 at 5:42pm

I have company coming over and I'm going to be offline until late tonight, California time, or early morning.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 13, 2012 at 11:09am

Here are a few photos of Adrian Longden from his Myspace page:

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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on August 13, 2012 at 1:43pm

From what I can see the signatures posted in this discussion can be placed into three separate groups.  The first contains the ones that were being sold by Autografica on eBay.  The second contains the pickguards that Roger posted.  The third contains Mike’s Thriller album and Travis’ photo, both of which appear to be very similar to my untrained eye.  What seems to set the three groups apart the most is the loop in the “J”.  It is also interesting to see how much some of the signatures on the pickguards vary considering that they were signed at the same time.  In some cases it may simply be due to Michael trying to fit his signature into different sized spaces.  Anyway those are my amateur observations and I can certainly appreciate how difficult it must be to make sense of it all.

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Permalink Reply by Gary Harvey on August 13, 2012 at 3:42pm

Garry
You can contact me on

Genuinestuff@hotmail.co.uk

I will give u my mobile number

Sad to read all this but believe me it not only fakes generating from the UK
Speak soon
Gary

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Permalink Reply by Gary Harvey on August 13, 2012 at 3:43pm

Roger
Any time mate. Drop me an email or call me
Happy Birthday too !

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Permalink Reply by Travis Christenberry on August 13, 2012 at 4:54pm

Sorry everyone, I misunderstood my conversation I had with Mike Aring and he let me know about it today. Instead of trying to put it into my own words I will just post what he said in his message to me. I think from here on out I'm just gonna wait until Mike gets "un-suspended" so he can put his statements into his own words.

Mike Aring

• hey travis... i saw your posting about the michael jackson and adrian. i think you stated me wrong though. i actually said that i followed jackson around for the last year of his life. I NEVER SAW ADRIAN ONCE. not following jackson around anyway. i saw adrian a lot... but not for the last two years i was in l.a. i've been in ohio nearly 3 years now. so that means i haven't seen him in 5 years. but i found it in the note that i sent you where i said i didn't see adrian in 3 years. i NEVER saw him getting jackson.
  sure, there were times i wasn't there to follow michael around. days at a time even. i didn't go everyday, i had to make money, work and play with my newborn baby. and we moved in that span of time as well. so there were lots of days that i wasn't there. but i never once saw adrian, not even doing the other hollywood stuff, so unless he was just going for jackson the days i wasn't, he wasn't in l.a. at all.
  
  as for my michael jackson record, the one they are talking about.. i still have it. i watched him sign it with my own two eyes. i'm not even willing to sell it. i framed it, it's on my wall at home. you can post that all if you want to. but i don't like it banged around that my album came from adrian (which is what has been iterated ever since you said i saw adrian getting jackson.)... but i NEVER saw adrian out getting michael. not once, not ever. i saw adrian getting autographs in l.a. and new york. but never once jackson.

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Permalink Reply by Dave Edwards on August 13, 2012 at 11:17pm

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 14, 2012 at 12:54am

Dave,

Statements of the kind you've made are highly defamatory if not true, and so require that we confirm your identity. Since you're in the legal profession, I'm sure you understand. Please email or private message me your full name, and the name, address and phone number of your law firm. I'll call you to confirm your identity.

Thanks,

Steve

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Permalink Reply by AFTAL on August 14, 2012 at 6:06am

The AFTAL Board have read with great interest comments made on this forum regarding AFTAL members and the AFTAL organisation. We refute any accusations made concerning all AFTAL Dealers.

AFTAL does not recognise the status or credibility of the detractors of AFTAL on this forum.

Since the AFTAL organisation was formed the UK memorabilia market is a much safer place.

In regards to the Michael Jackson autographs, the AFTAL board have reviewed photographic and dvd proof that gives conclusive evidence that the allegations you have made against Adrian are unfounded and completely without question untrue.

Our conclusion is that the Michael Jackson autographs in question are 100% authentic.

Anyone wishing to see the photographic and video proof are welcome to attend the Autographica show on the 13^th/14^th October 2012 at the NEC Birmingham UK, where it will be available for you to view.

No further posts will be made by AFTAL regarding this matter.

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Permalink Reply by Mick Taylor on August 14, 2012 at 6:18am

Cant the photographic and dvd proof for the MJ's be posted here for all to view? Id have thought this would be the bare minimum for AFTAL as an organisation to retain any credability!

Is that also the case for the Eastwood and Ford signed items?

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