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This McCartney ball...ouch!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-BEATLES-PAUL-McCARTNEY-SIGNED-OAL-BASEB...

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on February 15, 2014 at 1:27am

I dont think JSA gets a bad rep at all on this site. PSA and JSA are spoken of quite highly here for the most part. And most members are pro TPA when speaking of these 2. So i dont think JSA is being picked on. Only in the last 2 months have i started seeing an increase in questionable PSA and JSA threads. And typically, most vote authentic on the item in question. This ball, though, should not have been authenticated. Even if its real. Its such a horrid example, there is no need to authenticate it. The same with those squiggle autographs that all TPAs sometimes authenticate. You cant authenticate them. This ball may be real, but i agree with Mr. Zipper's system. And i personally agree that i would have much more respect for the authentication company, and i would be much more prone to use it again, if they turned down an authentic item b/c it was not a signature that could be authenticated properly. As long as they explained that to me, then i could understand the perspective.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on February 15, 2014 at 4:05am

@carl Ryan:"i would have much more respect for the authentication company, and i would be much more prone to use it again, if they turned down an authentic item b/c it was not a signature that could be authenticated properly. "

And yet if I had a nickel for every time I've read, "I got this in person myself and they rejected it. They don't know what they are doing and they are worthless!!"

LOL I agree with erring on the side of caution, but there will be people criticizing on either side no matter what.

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on February 15, 2014 at 4:22am

I agree Terrior, i hear the same, and understand both sides of the argument. In my experience though, as you know, most of the time when you hear that, its coming from a crooked ebay seller, lol

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Permalink Reply by Xwiesy on February 15, 2014 at 10:03am

Imagine you are an honest bloke and you get close to Paul McCartney and he signs this baseball for you.

It's authentic, you get a JSA letter of authenticity. You go to sell it and it 's amateur hour on a message board...

I like what we do here, and the anti forgery crusade is awesome...

But sometimes exemplars are not perfect .

If you're looking for a perfect Paul McCartney this is not for you.

But it most certainly could be real , and that's a decision the buyer will have to ultimately make.

It has a JSA cert , someone there felt comfy enough to give it a go. JSA is not Drew Max.

This is just one of those ones that is less than perfect and it's going to be up to the buyer and seller to agree on a price based on these factors .

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on February 15, 2014 at 10:11am

Amateur hour? Interesting choice of words

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Permalink Reply by Xwiesy on February 15, 2014 at 10:07am

Those of you arguing the source doesnt matter:

Would you rather own a scribble obtained by Michael Wehrman or a perfect exemplar from Drew Max ?

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Permalink Reply by Jason D on February 15, 2014 at 11:22am

Not another buyer based on who certed it rather than the autograph itself.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on February 15, 2014 at 10:32am

If the jsa cert provides you comfort then by all means go for it. I wouldn't pay ten bucks for that junk.

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Permalink Reply by Xwiesy on February 15, 2014 at 10:49am

For some it wil, for some it won't

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Permalink Reply by Steven Dodder on February 16, 2014 at 5:23am

First of all this does not look like it was signed in a black ball point pen, second, if you look at this sellers other sign Paul on a LP Item #

190831484964

Authenticated by another third party, the two are not even close. I would not buy any member of the Beatles on Ebay. For a matter of fact I would never buy an autographed item on Ebay period.

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Permalink Reply by Chad B on February 17, 2014 at 11:38am

First, I think both examples shown have a good chance of being authentic. Second, I am with the other reply about placing too much stock in proof photos. I love proof photos myself but know someone who can edit the photo with the ball to make it look like Paul signed "Mickey Mantle" instead of his name. Like always, we have to be very careful in this hobby.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Baldock on February 17, 2014 at 2:46pm

Didnt really feel like taking part in this but = The posted ball does have a familiar L and M however the ugly signature could be easily forged and I wouldnt touch it. The other "authentic" ball ugly as well, I wouldnt know what to do with them but throw them to my dog.