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Permalink Reply by noneofyourbusiness on May 21, 2014 at 2:39pm

Hey all. WTC1044 here. the owner of these books. first off, thank you for the heads up to the anonymous person who filled me in on this post. Now, for the j******* who posted this, along with all you A-holes who commented, (other than those who tried defending me), basically you all can go F*** yourselves. If any of you bothered to look at my page, you would see I am primarily a used and vintage book dealer. No, I don't normally sell sports crap, because it means nothing to me. I bought all the items from the estate sale I visited, because it intrigued me. This guy, who was a former PGA member, had a house packed with sports stuff, from late 1800's to present, including thousands of vintage golf clubs, hundreds of golf books, portraits and other pictures from anybody and everybody in the sports world, hundreds of signed books, photos, attire, caps, balls, magazines,, etc from primarily golfers from bobby jones to present, but also tons of athletes from baseball, basketball, and other sports. Many of then were inscribed to this guy directly, but many were not. I bought these items because they were offered at a great price by the estate sellers, being the guy was dead. Yes, almost nothing there had COA's, but it was quite obvious given who this guy was, and the amount of memorabilia dedicated to him directly left little doubt most, if not all signatures were authentic. No I am not a professional authenticator, but given the responses from many of you, neither are you. especially the A-rod commentators, as his signature is a spot on match to almost every signature I saw of his. If you do consider yourselves authenticators, I feel sorry for anyone who went to you for authentication, as your credibility sucks as a "supposed" pro. Yes, it is possible it was forged, but the guy had his signature inside a golf magazine, with 2 photos of A-rod at the golf event of which the dead guy was obviously at. But i also suppose that yes, it just may be possible that a former elderly former PGA member, who also ran a golf course, with hundreds of collectible items inscribed and signed to him, could have for fun decided to forge other popular sports guys, but the reality of that seemed a bit of a stretch to me. And I suppose he could have just had an A-rod look alike in the photos as well. For the tool who responded, "and he lowered the price, tee-hee" yes, I lowered it a lot, because of the uncertainty. I originally started at $200. And why? because research showed that A-rod and Jeter signatures on average commanded upwards of $100 to $200+, so I decided to start low. No i didn't get authenticated, because if the authenticators didn't rip off the sellers by charging $75-$100 to authenticate, it seemed pointless to authenticate a piece and pay $100 each, on top of what was already paid for item, to sell at $100, and take a loss. And for all you "Pro authenticators", exactly how did you get your credentials? A 10 minute course at the local junior college I assume. Wow, pretty impressive. You must be really smart. And the $110 was definitely a fair and well below market value of any of the signature, which included besides the A-rod and Jeter, also the potential Jordan which was offered. But even given all this, I still prepared for the possibility of being un-authentic by offering a full refund, for any reason, even if they just changed their minds, no questions asked, numerous times. Not sure how many forgery sellers who deal primarily in used books with a 100% positive feedback make that offer. And for those who insist, "then he shouldn't sell if he doesn't know for sure", go screw yourselves also. When did it become up to you to decide what rules and regulations need to be followed to be able to sell stuff? I gave a full disclosure of everything, guaranteed a refund, and even updated that I was told it was probably fake by some unknown random guy off the internet, who i am sure is the author of this post, regardless of what you say via my Ebay message to you. So again, to all you, I offer this nice hearty double barreled F*** you. There, I feel better now. Now how do i unsubscribe from this waste of "authenticity" site?

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Permalink Reply by Rich on May 21, 2014 at 2:49pm

Taken straight from the forgery seller handbook.  Well-played.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on May 21, 2014 at 3:22pm

And predictable

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Permalink Reply by Joe E on May 21, 2014 at 3:26pm

lol I apologize for trying to defend the posting.  Lesson learned

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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on May 21, 2014 at 3:39pm

Absolutely, Rich.

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on May 21, 2014 at 4:37pm

Same old tired story line over and over and over again. Seller is outed and displayed here for the world to see, and is mad, so the insults begin, and the squirming to try and make himself look good. The way the auction was handled throws up too many red flags to ignore, that the seller knew what he was doing.

You should know now, ebay user WTC1044, that on any google search, your name will now come up first thing here on this site for people to read. And P.S., posting a family pic of yourself as an avatar does not lend any believability to your story or reassurance that its all good. 

If there truly was a misunderstanding here as to what went on, you would have conducted yourself in the exact opposite way. You would have been more than willing to discuss the issues at hand. Its understandable you might be upset but coming onto a site and using the typical forgers playbook standard message to defend yourself didnt help your cause. Alot of items are discussed here from time to time that are thought to be sold under false pretinses, and a good seller will come here and clear it up with facts and info. And almost always, everyone walks away happy. 

A professional ebay seller, regardless of your genre of selling, wouldnt come in guns a blazing cussing and spewing filth b/c you were selling an obvious forgery. You may not know it, but its a forgery, and you were alerted to that and you still sold it, and in fact lowered the price to sell it easier and faster. Just think of what your customers will now have in mind, both past and present customers i may add.

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Permalink Reply by Dan Gregory on May 21, 2014 at 4:43pm

Perhaps as well as removing all of your fake autographs you can learnt to use paragraphs.

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Permalink Reply by Rock G III on May 21, 2014 at 5:02pm

All that typing and you knowingly sold a forgery even after ebay pulled it. Stick to selling books..Do people run into libraries and cry no one knows about books there? Because thats what you just did here. A website filled with autographs "experts" is wrong, but yet the guy who collects books and scours yard sales is a expert. I doubt anyone is buying any of this lol. 

You seem to have a bunch of excuses yet these where obtained at some random estate sale. So good job getting ripped off like a sucker and then passing it off on others with your uneducated opinion on autographs. But that is of course anyone buys the BS you're trying to sell. 

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Permalink Reply by Ryan Paul on May 22, 2014 at 8:32pm

I agree.

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Permalink Reply by al martin on May 21, 2014 at 3:28pm

Potential Jordan My ASS

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Permalink Reply by al martin on May 21, 2014 at 4:58pm

Main lesson on why not to sell fakes

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Permalink Reply by Jason D on May 21, 2014 at 5:50pm

Horrible looking Jeter but the ARod might actually be good, looks like his full graph.

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