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Authenticity is Everything
How cautious are you when buying from fellow collectors?
How much trust do we put into our fellow collectors when buying, have they captured our trust, that we don't have a tpa check the signatures out before we purchase.
Esp ip collector's.
I'm not complaining, it's a positive from my end, how about yourself.
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Permalink Reply by Paul on
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In my opinion, we need to remove ourselves from the excitement and human emotion when buying, to have the autographs checked out when buying them, so we don't get stung, but that's difficult to do.
Even the experts have different op at times.
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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on
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We are talking strictly about autographs correct? It's all about the autograph. There has to be a tiny bit of trust or we would not do business with anybody. But, trust is not a free gift, it is earned bit by bit over time. I can come to know a person and have a level of faith in their word. But, each and every autograph must pass the mustard on it's own merits. It's not so much about the person as it is about the autograph. Whether you've done business with them one time or a hundred times. The process remains the same.
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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I just look at the autograph, seller/papers/names/stories whatever. "...on its own merits...", "...The process remains the same...". Wise words.
Eric
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Wise Joe.
So what do we do when we disagree with the tpa's ruling if it is different to our opinion, after all it's their opinion at the end of the day where you can consign to auctions etc..
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Unfortunately, that is the way of the world. If you remember the Paul McCartney discussion I started. It came down to having to accept a TPA. It's an imperfect world but the rules have changed and game has to adjust to it. Like it or not.
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I don't know...that might speak to intent or motivation? I dunno. It is different for everyone. Collecting or selling or investing. All? There are opinions I will listen to, some I will pay for, but I trust my eyes and logic as much, "right or wrong" so to speak. It is my money, yes, but my collection. Do excellent autographs sell w/o any TPA to another "fellow collector"? I believe so, but on its merits as Joe was saying, nothing else.
Eric
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I believe we can fall into a false security when buying from both tpa's and ip and collectors, without doing some crucial research.
I like it if I'm buying personally, if I can match the provenance and the signature together, but we know that's not usually how it works with atypical signatures, where people produce photo's of the artist signing.
But id I'm sure there are people have fallen into that trap of human emotion where we say well he has had so many autographs signed by the band, surely the graph I'm buying is real.
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There is a time to buy and eventually a time to sell. Since the Internet the rules and the public's perception has changed on the selling. I still rely on my instincts but I also keep in mind the end game. I am a collector who buys and sells to build a better collection. I do not sell to pay the bills or feed my family as a professional. I could not afford to buy and hold onto everything. The fun would be over. I like the challenge. It's not so much about business as it is a sport or recreation. It just happens my interest is autographs. Sometimes I wish it was golf instead. :0)
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Let's have a game of golf Joe, get Alice cooper and have a Autograph live golf day.
There's so much to weigh up when buying, I'm not a flipper but the rules for the flippers are different yet. It's all about authentication!
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Agree! Not authentic - flip turns to flop soon enough.
Eric
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Rules are the same. Everyone flips eventually. Call it what you will. Matters not. Trust your instincts. Get opinions when necessary. If all else fails, get a TPA.
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Permalink Reply by Adam Halloran on
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Well the adage always is, trust the signature over the story. I think there are probably some signatures that ARE authentic that look a little wonky (rushed or out of the ordinary) that may have a great story behind it from a good seller that we might not buy because a TPA doesn't like it. It is a shame, but the nature of the business side of collecting.
The community as a whole has opinions and with the internet and everything being retraceable, you will be able to track where most of these pieces come from and what others thought of it.
If you are happy with a piece a TPA said no on, that is fine but it will be difficult to resell (nature of business)
I have bought things off a couple members (through ebay) and to me it is no different then buying something like the newbury signed cds. You still have to have good faith in the graphs we don't personally see done in front of us. Do your research, check examples, get opinions, and make a good call. That is all we can do. Good topic!
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