Jackie Gleason Authentic Signature and Secretarials: 1951, C. 1954, C. 1963 & the 1970's

Hello,

I thought this composite might be useful in identifying the rampant secretarials of Jackie Gleason's signature that are offered, both raw and certified. The topic has risen before, but I did not see this all laid out simply and clearly labeled. Gleason's authentic signature is quite rare in any form. Almost everything out there is a secretarial or poor forgery, especially the 1970's signatures. The comments below concern the scans above as shown.

The authentic example from 1951 shown is typical of this period, not terribly neat, sometimes slightly flowery, and with a rather bouncy base line (especially early examples) in "jackie", which often appears as "jockie". Note the overall shape and slight lean of the "a" in Jockie" compared to the secretarials (much more round). Note the attack of the "jackie", the connection of the "j" to the "a", and the clear construction of the "k" (hooking back and under). Sometimes the "e" in "jackie" is a touch higher than the "i" and leans back a bit to the left. Also note the differences in the formation of the "g" in "gleason" with the 1950's secretarial (and the form of the "ason"). The "a" in "gleason" is often complex and dense. Ink dispersal shows a rather quick hand compared to all the secretarials. Authentic examples are very hard to find and rather expensive if identified. Gleason's signature remained more or less the same, sometimes taking on a more extreme slant, until the early 1960's, after which it became more scrawled and a bit simplified. Most authentic examples appear to come from the 1950's and are often found on album ages; examples from the 1960's can be found on playbills and theater programs as well as other items. From what little I have seen, later examples exhibit more variation and simplification in the last years and are seldom encountered.

The 1950's secretarials are easily spotted by an overall drawn quality, extreme neatness, straight baseline, even ink dispersal/pressure, and the very similar "j" and "g" bottom loops. Do not ignore this. The formation of the letters in first and last names is very different and the "ason" in "gleason" is quite different from the authentic (see the elongated space between the "a" and "s" in the secretarial) and is always legible (true of most all secretarials), with no ending trail off that melds the final letters. This is important. The entire signature is very clearly and carefully drawn. Early examples can show an elongated thinner "j" (now added in a composite scan posted below), but are readily betrayed by the rest of the signature which displays hesitance and the drawn quality and form. These 3.5" x 5" secretarials exist in quantity, yet I believe are still quite collectible as period items - if you wrote to the Jackie Gleason Show during the 1950's this is indeed what you would have received. Very few of these bear authentic signatures.

The 1960's secretarials are even more obvious with very even ink dispersal, a very different overall slant compared to either the authentic or earlier secretarials, a straight base line, a different formation overall and of the last name in particular. The "j" in "jackie" is not connected to the "a" as the authentic. The capitalized "E" in "glEason" first appears on photographs of the sort shown from C. 1954, but bearing ballpoint signatures that appear much like the 1960's version. Several examples exist with the capital "E", so that one can distinguish the forged from the secretarial. Note the opposing slants of the "j" and "k" in "jackie" compared with the authentic example - same holds true for the 1970's and 1980's. These 3.5" x 5" secretarials do not show up as frequently as the earlier 1950's 3.5" x 5" secretarials. There is another scarcer 3.5" x 5" early 1960's version showing Gleason on stage in front of stage curtains - I have seen this version bear the shown 1960's secretarial signatures and, very rarely, a genuine signature. If my memory serves, I have seen a very few stamped versions of just the standing pose.

The 1970's secretarials, as those of the 1980's, are also very neat and exhibit very consistent ink dispersal even if more fluidly executed. These later secretarials are usually accompanied with the inscription "My Best Wishes" and display a slant to the right, posses a readily identifiable "j", and the "k" is formed very much like the "i" and "e" - with all reaching the same height. There is usually a space before and/or after the "a" in "jackie" (lone "a"),and often a space before the "a" in "gleason". The last name appears to be broken into two or three segments. There can be some variation of the "g" (thinner bottom loop, angular tipped) but the rest of the signature will quickly confirm the secretarial (the "j", which sometimes has a loop at the top and a slightly varying flourish, and then the "g"). These secretarials are extremely common, generally accepted as genuine, and are usually seen on 8" x 10" cast signed bus photographs (with the rest often authentic), fan letters, personal portraits and, later, 5" x 7" portraits. The signature is almost always in black felt tip without regard to what the item is; this allows ready examination of the ink and pressure changes which will reveal the secretarial.

Below is another authentic vintage signature - a superb example in pencil that dates to shortly after the 1951 example above. It is a wonderful example of the true signature of The Great One.

Additional authentic signatures from 1944 to 1961 can be see here (the 1948 example is very useful, but they all are of great value in this discussion), as well as a confirmed common secretarial from the 1970's:

Jackie Gleason Confirmed Authentic Exemplars at The Classic Enterta...

Note: If you have an authentic Gleason signature or another type of secretarial from any period and would like to share it for the purposes of this article please contact me. Member Bob Shinn also has a superb example, but I wont post images w/o permission.

Eric

A large scan of the 1951 has been added as an attachment below.

Closing notes: It is sometimes said that Gleason's wife signed for him. Gleason was married 1936-1970, 1970-1975, and 1975-1987. From what I have seen the "My Best Wishes" secretarials, which represent the overwhelming majority of signatures, start to appear on photographs from about 1975 on. The presence of this inscription does not equate with being a secretarial, but this is often the case. I also note the lack of any transitional examples of the secretarials. The little I have seen appears forged or unusual in some odd way. His authentic signature mutated slightly over the years while retaining basic elements, yet the secretarials just change violently. I have never seen the 1960's style secretarial signature shown in the composite above, whose appearance seems to correlate with his move to Miami in 1964, on anything but these small photographs from this period.

This article is under construction. Updated December 28, 2015 with much additional information and a new scan. © EKL 2016

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This is great. Thank you.

Thank you very much Steve. I hope it furnishes collectors with an idea of what to look for and what to avoid. There is little data and less specifics online detailing this earlier material, and although the 70's secretarial is well covered it still sells frequently as you know.

Eric

very well done, Eric. perhaps you could post more examples of authentic Gleason signatures?

Hello and thank you for the kind words and assistance. I appreciate the loan of your own wonderful vintage Gleason album page, and have added it to the post above to keep things together. In some other threads, after a while, you don't know who is talking about which, so I am trying to keep everything clear, linear and labeled. I have also added a link to thecead page for Gleason. I have a lot of scans, but won't show things w/o permission. I have asked other members to send in what they might have.

Thank again,

                 Eric

Hello,

I was able to make a decent scan of this new Gleason album page. I post it here for study/discussion. Early ball point signature, August 1951. Clicking on the image will show the entire signature.

Best wishes,

                   Eric

Hi terrier8HOF,

Here is another but the 1960's form - this is from a 1970 TWA Registry.

Best wishes,

                   Eric

Hello All,

 I have an earlier example to post of the 1st type of secretarial - shown below along with the later more common secretarial version on these cards and the authentic example.

Eric

H All,

Here is another that passes all tests - bouncy baseline, The "j" "a" connect, the "k", and "e" leaning back compared to the "i", that "g", dense "a"... a little pricey:

Jackie Gleason Vintage Ballpoint $899

Eric

I saw that one Eric, and yes, its very nice but pricey.

Gives a good look inside that "a".

Eric

Eric, awesome job!!!!

I once spoke to Joyce Randolph on the telephone about the signing habits of Mr. Gleason, Art Carney and Audrey Meadows and she told me that she never saw Mr. Gleason sign anything.  Everything was signed by secretaries.

those secretarials were thought to be authentic for years. It was only in the last couple of years they came into question and were deemed as secretarials.  The authentic versions, are very rare.

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