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autographed paul mc cartney hoffner guitar un display case with oval holographic sticker 4939

i i have a autographed paul mc cartney hoffner guitar in a display case ther is an oval holographic sticker with the number 4939 on the guitar i purchased the guitar from someone that says it is authentic and the paperwork was lost however the halographic sticker can provide the ibformatioin nreguarding its authebnticity . How do i get the information with the number on the sticker ? Is there a data base.

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Permalink Reply by robert plaisted on October 21, 2018 at 3:56pm

Sorry talk to text didnt get it right 15 thousand

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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on October 22, 2018 at 5:39am

15K is a lot of dinero. If the seller is willing to give you a refund, I suggest you go that route. For that price you shouldn't have to find a way to convince yourself or others it's authentic. And a piece of paper saying it's authentic isn't the answer either. Autographs speak for themselves.

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Permalink Reply by Rfitzz on October 22, 2018 at 9:19am

He's willing to give you a refund ? TAKE IT ! He has personal ties to McCartney ? Have him sign another one - possibly in your presence. Problem solved … no ?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 21, 2018 at 3:24pm

Robert,

Please look at this Beatles signature study from 1964 to the 1990s. It's reprinted from the November 1995 issue of Autograph Collector magazine, and it's by Frank Caiazzo, the world's most respected Beatles autograph authenticator:

https://autographcollector.com/authenticity/beatles-autograph-authe...

Mouse over each photo and you'll get details. The first 2 photos will show you Beatles autographs from 1964 and 1965. About half way down the right column you'll see a photo with 6 McCartney autographs. The 3 on the right are from about 1990 and I think you'll see that yours is much more similar to those than the 1964 and 1965 examples.

Feel free to email me through this site if you'd like to discuss privately how to proceed.

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Permalink Reply by Fuddjcal on October 23, 2018 at 10:11am

run like rabbit with thorn in paw to get YOUR $$$$ back. One of the worst of the worst forgeries...Bar None Period

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Permalink Reply by Bruce Juice on October 21, 2018 at 8:48pm

Yet another case (sadly) of someone who got scammed and bought an obvious forgery yet doesn't want to hear the truth from the members here who keep telling him it's fake.

And just FYI -- Paul McCartney does not have the time nor the inclination to respond to you about his autograph. I think he has better things to do.

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Permalink Reply by Jim McFiver on October 22, 2018 at 1:54am

Absolutely agree with Bruce Juice.

It boggles the mind that Paul would drop everything to authenticate this forgery.

Not to mention that the alleged signature is a modern 21rst century McCartney, not a classic 1960s style from the Beatlemania era.

And, as usual, another classic bullsh*t tale with no provenance or paperwork?!

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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on October 22, 2018 at 3:26am

This is why the "Forgery Industry" is so huge. The people who sell crap like that are well aware that the majority of people who buy autographs don't know autographs.

They sell their garbage to the delusional and impulsive.

People used to get very upset with me about telling it like it is, but there is no reason to sugar coat it.

Those same people prey on the delusional and impulsive.

Just get your money back.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 22, 2018 at 11:02am

Victims less experienced in collecting who buy forgeries usually aren't delusional—they're deceived. The forgery sellers are often consummate liars. They commit theft through fraud—felony grand theft if it's $1,000 or over in most jurisdictions. They are sociopaths, psychopaths, as someone recently said, consummate narcissists. They think WE are criminals for educating collectors and calling out autographs we think are forgeries.

They think that nothing they do is wrong.

The forgery sellers often know how to build a relationship of trust and confidence with their victims. They are often masters of human nature. The victims can't believe that people who sell forgeries can get away with it, especially if the seller has been in business for years. How can a business be around for years in a major mall or resort hotel and not arrested for selling forgeries—and not be closed down by the resort's management?

Buyers shouldn't have to learn how to authenticate to buy. Did you personally inspect your house before you bought it to make sure it's on stable ground, doesn't have hidden construction defects, doesn't have termites or dry rot, get up and inspect the roof, test all the electrical, make sure that if you go back 50 years there might be a title defect? Or did you hire experts to do that or rely on your agent or escrow company to do it?

Do you inspect all the ingredients in the kitchen of the restaurants you want to dine in before you order?

Do you learn how to service and repair a car before you buy it?

Fans and collectors need to learn how to buy safely and signs of scams, but there aren't any convenient and clear ways to identify who's advice you can rely on and who's you can't.

The only area really organized is the forgery industry. They work together all the time. They have supply chains. They often have authenticators, especially forensic document examiners, who most people can't imagine being involved in theft and fraud.

Blaming the victim, especially less-experienced fans and collectors, is rarely properly placed blame.

This is actually an area I am working on and I was about to talk about it with members here and others. We've made a significant difference already, but we're treading water at best.

We need to take the bull by the horns and make it as easy as possible for people to know how to avoid forgeries.