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Permalink Reply by 5816nick on December 3, 2022 at 2:19am

Probably due to the fact that if Castle admit to a lot more prints being autopenned it would probably bankrupt them - unless Bob Dylan refunds them sooner, so they can refund the de-frauded customers.

As suggested Bob has stated he probably won't be signing anything else anyway - so his way of thinking is just to let Castle take all the blame, hold off on giving Castle any refunds  and let them go bankrupt anyway, as he wouldn't need a gallery if he's not signing anything in the future.. Who knows what he is thinking. 

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Permalink Reply by Eugene Monaghan on December 3, 2022 at 3:29am

Latest response I got back from Castle yesterday afternoon around my two 2020 Mondo Scripto pieces - 

“Thank you for your email.

We fully appreciate the uncertainty the news of Bob Dylan’s using autopen to sign some of his latest editions created for you, as for others who have collected his prints, irrespective of whether the prints purchased were from the Retrospectrum and Sunset Monument Valley editions (which were signed by auto-pen), or not.

We have no reason to believe that any of the other editions, including your two Mondo Scripto prints, were not hand signed by Dylan. We therefore do not consider that there is a basis for you to be entitled for a refund.

We fully understand your wish to have further assurance and to that extent we are dealing with Dylan’s team to provide the required information.

Please bear with us while we seek the relevant information which we anticipate obtaining shortly and we will give you a detailed response in the coming days.

Thank you for your patience and please accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience caused thus far.”

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Permalink Reply by 5816nick on December 3, 2022 at 3:49am

Of course you know what the response will be- something along the lines of ' We have been in contact with Bob Dylan and his management team and they confirm all other prints prior to the 2 that were autopenned in 2022 are indeed hand signed by Bob Dylan'  with probably no proof whatsoever. 

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Permalink Reply by Eugene Monaghan on December 3, 2022 at 4:11am

You may be right but you would hope that Castle Galleries clearly understand that this is essentially their current position and given the serious doubts around the authenticity of the signatures is simply not going to be acceptable to anyone without absolute, irrefutable proof. However it seems this may be hard for them to do as if it was available it could have been produced already but let’s see.

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Permalink Reply by Marky Molloy on December 3, 2022 at 4:52am

Thanks for the information. 'Absolute, irrefutable proof' will be practically impossible.

The most contentious prints, if I'm right, are now the Asia collection - released February 2021 - and Mondo Scripto - released December 2020. Castle with Dylan would have to somehow prove that they were hand-signed before mid-March 2020 when the US began to go into lockdown. Dylan has already confessed he used autopen through lockdown. 

I own The Bridge from the Asia set. The signature has a suspect 'y' with the telltale cross and slants to the right.

I think Castle's reputation will suffer if it tries to defend the indefensible. I hope it doesn't.

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Permalink Reply by Jane Bond on December 3, 2022 at 3:54am

Eugene. You are fortunate to have had a response. They have now had two emails from me during the last week . I had one call with an unacceptable response to my first email. I responded immediately with email number 2 .  I insisted it was passed to a director. . I have been a customer sine 2007 and dare I say one of their biggest . There is now a wall of silence. So they are either carrying out further investigations or do not want to go into print with me at this stage. 

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Permalink Reply by Eugene Monaghan on December 3, 2022 at 4:22am

Pretty poor that Castle don’t seem to be handling this very well with you, especially as you look to be a loyal and valued customer and I always think it demostrases how good a business really is when things go wrong. So far although we have a difference of opinion they have at least contacted me directly by phone, responded with updates via e-mail etc which is the minimum you would expect so hopefully you get a similar personal response soon! 

As far as I’m concerned it’s clear that unless irrefutable evidence is provided then the authenticity verification process implemented by Castle Galleries has not been fit for purpose and the authenticity of the “hand-signed” signatures on the Mondo Scripto prints cannot be proven or guaranteed!

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Permalink Reply by Jane Bond on December 3, 2022 at 4:37am

Michelle.  You have mis read the internet.  Mark Cass is not connected to this so for goodness sake do not respond to him. Ian Weatherby - Blythe is group MD of Washington Green and castle Fine Art.  

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Permalink Reply by michelle on December 3, 2022 at 4:54am

my mistake, deleted my response on here

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Permalink Reply by Jane Bond on December 8, 2022 at 9:36am

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 8, 2022 at 10:10am

hi Jane, got it. I moved this discussion to the Dylan forum Monday but all the links and notifications should be intact. We do this often.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Roberts on December 3, 2022 at 8:34am

I received the same response regarding my Mondo prints.  The only way I will be happy is if Dylan hand signs a COA stating the Mondo Prints are in fact in his hand.  I serious doubt that would happen, but to have a "real" live signature to go along with the mondo prints will certainly help.  

Mark

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