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Michael Jackson drawings (Miscell inc. 'Historic portraits' and 'Disney characters')
I'm noticing a sudden influx of MJ signed Michael Jackson drawings coming on to the auction market, which seem to share the common themes of either 'portraits of historical figures' or 'Disney characters'.
Both of these themes are of course recognised from Michaels' drawings both at a young age and later in life, but it is interesting that so many new drawings are being released on to the market at the same time.
Here are some current examples:
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/32578267_collection-of-art-by-m...
Tags: Michael, disney, forgery, jackson, parr, portraits
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Permalink Reply by Jeffects on
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Hi Wascher,
The work you are doing on this is amazing, and very much appreciated. If there were more people like you sharing such useful knowledge, and helping others, a lot less people would be getting ripped off.
I wouldn't really be too surprised if this whole scheme was traced back to Feldman and an assortment of unscrupulous dealers. (knowing what they are selling are fakes, but keeping enough of an arms length to cover themselves) "Cory said it was good! I didn't know, I believed him!"
No, you didn't.
I live in the Los Angeles area, and several years ago they held regular collector/autograph shows where 50/100 washed up celebrities would show up and sign autographs for $10 or $20. Of course Cory Feldman was there, acting like he was the biggest star in the room, but obviously in need of cash. It was actually pretty pathetic.
Most of the celebrities were really great, but his irrelevance hadn't quite hit him yet.
This scam involves big money being "stolen" from unknowledgeable fans, who put their faith in TPA's, who sadly, must know their selling fakes based on the terrible quality of the drawings alone.
I wasn't familiar with any MJ drawings before I saw this thread, but he seems to be a very gifted artist incapable of creating such bad drawings, much less signing them as thou he was proud of them. I wouldn't even sign that garbage. (and I can't draw).
Thanks Again,
Jeff
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After the comments posted on this thread, I find this a bit ironic. From an earlier thread here.
- I have physically examined for authentication over 2 dozen of this style Michael Jackson signed drawings. I am sorry to say I do not believe the drawings nor the signatures are authentic. I have gone as far as to discuss the providence and authentication of these sketches with one of Michael Jackson's art teachers as well as some of his closest friends. Most strongly believe the drawings and signatures to be not likely genuine. First I learned that Michael Jackson was pretty modest about his drawings and art. He loved to draw and wanted to be more involved in art but he was very critical being a perfectionist.Michael would sometime give some art work away as a gift or to fans but it was very rare and his drawings were usually much more professional and skillful.
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If you want to read something pretty funny, click on that link.
Apparently the owner of the drawing that Frost identified there as a forgery, responded in the thread, that PAAS earlier had proclaimed it as "Likely Authentic"
The back and forth with Frost is a hoot.
"Huh, we did what... humina humina humina... send me a private e-mail..."
I love these "experts", if there not making money off something, selling it, or consigning it, then their "opinions" are pretty much useless.
Heaven forbid if you ask about an item from one of their competitors, or someone they don't like.
Or vice/versa, something their friend is selling. GOOD, GOOD, and even more GOOD.
This TPA nonsense is so polluted with conflicts of interest, it's very damaging to honest colectors, and they are the only ones who lose their money.
Yeah. Sam Iam, hold the authenticators financially responsible, maybe that will make them more honest, and if by chance you buy a signed album for thousands of dollars that proves to be a fake you will have some recourse.
Not a refund, mind you, but a lengthy court case, and lots of attorney fees and threats.
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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on
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How dare you. Everyone knows that you can’t fool an expert. Why are you attempting to use your own judgement when an expert has spoken? An expert opinion is an absolute guarantee of accuracy. Please just keep quiet and accept that. Some believe that “expert” is a magic word that can turn authentic signatures into secretarials. That’s how powerful a word it is. The mere mention of the word should silence all doubters. If you don’t believe that, you must have some ulterior motive.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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Hey Jeffects,
Long time no see! Still hanging out at Net 54?
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Hi Steve,
I haven't been on net54 in quite a while. Too many experts there. Ha Ha.
I kind of visit these sites in spurts and spend a month catching up. I come on here quite a bit, but just read the various threads. Very informative.
I love this one, and the past one about analyzing the signatures of DiMaggio, Mantle and Williams was really informative and great.
Jeff
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Glad you decided to materialize for a spell. I think our members do a great job trying to help fellow collectors and fans.
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Permalink Reply by wascher on
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Jeff,
Unfortunately there are many of that exact drawing out there with different MJ signatures on them. Some even use the secretarial version of MJ's name. Here are two with secretarial autographs on them.
Forgers are pretty stupid sometimes.
What bothered me about what the person in that thread was sending us as "proof" Frost authenticated it, was the email from Paas--it was definitely altered in some way. The page #'s at the top of the emails did not make sense at all... with the first page saying 1 of 2.... and then the second and third pages saying 2 of 3, and 3 of 3. It seems that two entirely different emails were combined. That said, I have no idea for sure if Frost did authenticate it or not.
The Wiz drawings were brought up in that discussion however... :)
-w
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Also to be noted... both the above secretarial art drawings sold at auction houses - Gotta Have Rock and Roll (the frame one - $3509.00 in March 2010) and Juliens (the red one for $5625.00 in June 2010).
-w
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Hi Wascher,
I had seen that, and your comments about the page numbers. Who knows? I'm sure that since Mike said he had all inquiries on record, I thought it would have been pretty easy for him to put the issue to rest.
If I was going to fabricate a COA, PAAS probably wouldn't be my first choice.
As happened here, and seems to happen quite often when bad items with a COA start showing up is "someone fabricated my COA, I would never have authenticated that."
As I recall, and I'm guessing, didn't Paas and Global something or another claim that thousands of bad items had faked COA's?
It's just too easy of an out, and was used here again and in that other thread.
There are so many feuds in this hobby, and rivalries, that as soon as there is a falling out between people, the mud really starts flying and the "experts" start turning on each other, and reveling dirty little secrets.
Boy, that last sentence just didn't seem to want to end. Ha
Jeff
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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on
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Very impressive job you've done in this thread Wascher. You've been pretty thorough and convincing in your points.
Not bad for just being a dog breeder. LOL
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