Authenticity is Everything
1965 Beatles Autographs - Removing Peel and Stick Laminate
I have a set of Beatles autographs obtained in 1965 by my father. He worked for the U.S. Immigration Service and met them while they were en route to the Bahamas to film sequences for the movie Help. Authenticity is not an issue, but I have a problem. In an effort to protect the signatures, my sister (they were obtained for her but she recently gifted them to me) partially laminated them (peel and affix laminate). Does anyone know of a service that can remove this laminate without damaging the document. I've read about DIY fixes (hair dryer, iron etc.) but am leery of trying them. any Help would be appreciated (pun intended).
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Permalink Reply by Joseph Mongiello on
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Thank you, I will.
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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With the cost of restoration it would be wise to confirm the authenticity first.
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Permalink Reply by crazyrabbits23 on
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+1 - I've seen enough stories on this forum from people who swore up and down that they could chase the chain of ownership/authenticity (this goes for a number of authors/artists, not just the Beatles), only for it to be revealed as secretarial/autopen. Hell, I've had a couple cases on my own where I knew exactly what the daisy-chain was on the original owner, including the date and time she acquired the item, and it was still faked by someone who'd sent it to the publisher on behalf of a sports player.
No fault in getting peace of mind/a second opinion on this one.
Edit: This quote from the OP:
"Obtained four sets in person. He was the Supervisor on duty and boarded their plane the check their passports. They were going to the Bahamas so were travelling there and only passing through (JFK in NYC)."
Given what else has been said in this topic, alarm bells are going off. Get a second opinion. It will cost you nothing.
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+ 100
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I've asked exactly how the autographs were obtained, whether the original recipient actually watched the Beatles sign the items, but so far there is no response that he did.
Having been on the plane with the Beatles is not enough to guarantee authenticity.
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Permalink Reply by michelle on
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4 sets sounds amazing!!! A scan would be a good idea. I have sseen the work of the restorer eddy has mentioned. His work is very good. In fact i believe it was a beatles set in which 2 genuine beatles sigs was turned into a page with 4 beatles sigs using restorative work to add the other 2 sigs. My belief is that tthis will have happened with other beatles full sets because there are just too many in circulation imo for them all to be genuine, just my thoughts for what its worth
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Permalink Reply by fab432 on
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Over the years I have seen several autograph sets protected/ruined by peel and stick laminate. Every effort to remove the laminate resulted in destroying part of the item in the process. Perhaps using a bake process similar to that used on old reel to reel tapes might yield positive results. The success of any removal process will largely depend on the item being treated. Paper is likely the most difficult to work with and glossy photographs might be better. I don’t think I would attempt a removal on any Beatles autographs just too risky.
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Permalink Reply by Josh Board NEW & Improved on
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This thread was hysterical to read. First, the OP was right. Who the signatures were of (no Townshend ref. intended), was irrelevant. To him, it was all about getting the laminate off. Second, how friggin' hard would it have been to just show us the autographs, so we could either tell him they're bogus, or be in awe of a nice set, that could possibly be ruined by what the sister did with the laminate.
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Because pride is a dangerous thing. Hell, I've come on here multiple times and thought I was 100% right about the authenticity of an item, only to be told by others that it was faked. You have to learn the ropes before you can become any kind of authority on a subject - I realized there was a lot I didn't know.
If the OP got this restoration work done and found out they weren't legitimate after the fact, he'll have spent more money in service of an expensive paperweight with no value. There are just too many fakes out there to take a random person at their word, when they not only refuse to show photos of what exactly the item is, but keep trying to steer the discussion towards something else without actually listening to the advice of multiple people -- which I thought was the whole purpose in making this thread in the first place.
As Eric has said, it would have to be some crazy odds that a random ticket-checker on a plane not only got one set of autographs, but four distinct sets at the same time inscribed for four different people. You rarely hear of things like that -- it would be a game-changer for aficionados and those that study Beatles autos, because there's such a cottage industry of fakes out there.
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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on
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Keep in mind that there’s a lot riding on this. The autographs have been in the family for nearly 60 years. Six zero. You’ve been sure they’re real for that long. They’ve probably been shown off and have had stories told about them. The OP didn’t receive one of the four sets as a child, but was just kindly gifted one as a Christmas present by his sister. Then you start looking at the value of Beatles autographs, and there are three other associated sets at stake. Rough.
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I would want to know for certain! $ sets would be astounding.
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What are the precedents for the Beatles signing a total of 16 autographs for one person? Is there a known instance of this sort of thing happening? I have never heard of four sets for one person. What is more likely w/o evidence - Neil, Mal or 16 authentic Beatle signatures?
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