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A couple of Mantles

Good evening fellow autograph enthusiasts. I hope everyone is having a good holiday season.

ive been reading up on how to spot questionable autographs - especially Mickey Mantle’s. (Great older article in this site about ID’ing the “banana” forgeries.)

That being said, I have a couple that I’m still not quite able to figure out; I’d welcome opinions on these.

#1 is on a Bobby Brown ball

#2 is a signature box on a display piece 

#3 is (probably obviously) a photograph

Thanks all!

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on December 26, 2017 at 4:00am

photo is a common forgery.   the other two are fine.

Permalink Reply by Musclebeech on December 26, 2017 at 9:45am

Thanks for the reaponse... may I ask how you can tell? When I compare the ball to the photo, they seem almost identical to me... I see some slight nuisances in the “m” on Mantle, but otherwise the shape seems very similar to me.

Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on December 26, 2017 at 11:41am

the best way to tell is to study known authentic examples.  then when you see one of these forgeries, they will become obvious to you.  

Permalink Reply by Musclebeech on December 26, 2017 at 3:15pm

When you say it like that, it seems simple. However, it’s well documented that signatures change over time (and even from moment to moment). If you look at exemplars, you will even see significant variation between different examples.

Case in point... a couple of exemplars certified as authentic... Each looks different and has some common characteristics with the one identified in the initial 3 samples as “not genuine.”

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on December 27, 2017 at 3:39pm

maybe so, but there are also characteristics that remain consistent and that is the case with Mantle.

Permalink Reply by CJCollector on December 26, 2017 at 12:10pm
Permalink Reply by Musclebeech on December 26, 2017 at 3:17pm

Thanks... I read all of those articles prior to posting this thread.

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 26, 2017 at 10:42am

The third one is a machine signed forgery that came out of Florida. All that we’ve seen were printed on inkjet photo paper, which came out around the time Mantle died. 

Keep in mind that even when the autograph looks good it could be a copy. The framed clip could be one. 

Permalink Reply by Fuddjcal on December 26, 2017 at 3:24pm

another good rule of thumb is that When you see the "pork chop finger" or the "huckster toothy smile" poses run like rabbit with thorn in paw....

The photo you show is an easy to spot "huckster toothy smile pose." Same stupid pose over and over again is another reason it's so easy to tell. I have never seen that pose with an authentic signature PERIOD. NOR have I ever seen the "pork chop finger" pose authentic. It's an exclusive only for the forgers, fakes, and F%#$%&*

Permalink Reply by Musclebeech on December 26, 2017 at 4:20pm

All right... I get the “huckster” name for the one photo, but you need to explain the “pork chop” name for the one with Mays... I looked at that photo and can’t figure out why you call it that.

Permalink Reply by Musclebeech on December 26, 2017 at 3:26pm

Thanks for the response Steve. It’s interesting... if it was machine printed, the machine managed to change pressure of the marker well enough to create nuisances in the signature that make it look hand signed upon close inspection.

Your comment about the paper makes sense... the paper could be a give-away. This particular example doesn’t have any water marks on the back that you would expect from photo paper (eg Kodak paper), but the front of it is a very high gloss that you would expect from a true developed photo. Tough to distinguish.

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 26, 2017 at 3:50pm

If you post a full-size high resolution, crisp image I may be able to show you the signs.

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