Authenticity is Everything
A Doors Mystery - A Fully-Signed Light My Fire German Picture Sleeve
This signed picture sleeve will be offered in the next Gotta Have Rock and Roll auction.
I don’t see an issue with the signatures. However, the problem is the provenance. It’s a German picture sleeve, and in the letter of provenance the original recipient provides a very specific and detailed account of getting it signed on 9/14/68 in Germany.
The confusing part is that the photo on the front of the sleeve was taken on 9/18/68 in Copenhagen. So, obviously the picture sleeve didn’t exist on the date he claims it was signed.
It was released after the Doors returned to the US. As far as I know, they didn’t return to Europe as a group until they played the Isle of Wight Festival in August of 1970.
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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on
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It could be an honest mistake if he had something else signed at the show and got it confused with the picture sleeve. Yes, it’s a long shot.
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Permalink Reply by JK on
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I note that the letter uses the words "single" and "record", but not "sleeve". Maybe he was using the words interchangeably but it stands out to me. But it might also be a sign that he was confusing two different items, or that maybe a subsequent owner mixed up LOPs.
Also, it tells about his personal interaction with Robby Krieger but not about any interaction with the other band members. Did Robby take it somewhere to be signed? Since everyone thinks it looks good, that aspect might not be an issue, but the letter is missing that key bit of detail which might be important if the letter were to be relied upon. (I'm thinking about all those Beatles "autographs" that were handed through the back door of a concert hall, etc.).
The writer's address is on the letter. Is there any chance to see if he is still there?
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Permalink Reply by michelle on
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I did check and there does appear to be a germaan photographer by the same name but he is too young and even if the original gentleman could be found it could be considered harrassment to contact him
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Sounds like it could be his son.
The laws concerning harassment must be very different in the UK than they are in the US. In the US a simple letter to someone would not constitute harassment, which is good because I collect TTM. 🙂
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oh ttm is fine, but really you are going behind the auction houses back to try and establish rock solid provenance for a very high value item. You could also get banned by the auction house, it happened to a friend of mine who questioned a loa and thought he was using his initiative by contacting the seller to double check and it backfired
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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It's an auction house I'd recommend being banned from.
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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Yes, but they can also keep anything they want at their discretion or not sign at all.
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The LOP is definitely referring to this item. He’s referring to the item as a whole as a “single” or “record” rather than just the signed portion, or the sleeve. I think each signature looks too good to be secretarial. They’re too closely consistent with their authentic autographs.
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Permalink Reply by Josh Board NEW & Improved on
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Two things. What would the auction house have to say about all our concerns? And second (and I'm just throwing this out there, not saying I believe it, but...) -- what if it's just a really, really good forgery. Is that possible?
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1 I don't know.
2 Yes, as has been noted before here. Beatles, Doors/Morrison, Hendrix etc.all seen before.
2 - To me it is just another story ultimately, and in the past as I recall those are usually ignored. IMHO.
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I would expect the auction house to point to the signatures and REAL LOA. All four signatures look so good. It would mean that the forger produced an exceptionally good Morrison and put the same skill and effort into the three extremely less valuable signatures. Why risk adding those when the Morrison turned out that good? Also, the signatures appear slightly damaged from improper long time storage.
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