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Permalink Reply by Shaggy67 on March 6, 2019 at 4:05pm

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Permalink Reply by Robert Tomaka on March 6, 2019 at 4:49am

1. Well guys, thanks for the help as always and for keeping my hard earned money reserved for genuine pieces of baseball history.

For my own understanding and learning process, what’s the #1 dead give away on this piece?  Formation and flow of the signatures ? I’m using PSA’s vault of genuine examples and  Baseball Hall of Fame Autographs: A Reference Guide (1st Edition. Does this Ron Kurajian gentleman have much respect amongst you all?

Thank you for all the assistance as always ! You all have saved me a lot of money and grief :-)

Rob 

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Permalink Reply by Woody2Shoes on March 6, 2019 at 11:46am

Robert wrote: "For my own understanding and learning process, what’s the #1 dead give away on this piece?"

Everything! lol

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Permalink Reply by Robert Tomaka on March 6, 2019 at 12:52pm

Ok then. Well, all joking aside, i really would like a quick lesson if you have the time ..... maybe top 3 red flags? 

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Permalink Reply by Woody2Shoes on March 6, 2019 at 2:15pm

Let's start with the most basic of observations.  A question. Do both signatures look to you a though they could possibly have be written by two different people?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on March 6, 2019 at 10:21pm

Robert,

Is that Ruth Gehrig this one in a High End Memorabilia auction tomorrow morning on LiveAuctioneers?

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/69598320_gehrig-and-ruth-3x5-s...

High End Memorabilia often lists the same lot in a dozen or more auctions, sometimes selling it several times. That exact Ruth/Gehrig you were asking about sold in High End Memorabilia's February 28 auction for $2,500 + 25% buyer's premium: $3,125

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/69378173_gehrig-and-ruth-3x5-s...

Read High End Memorabilia's terms and conditions in the third tab under the image on the lot's page.

If you buy from them you can't get out of it, no matter what. If you file a charge back, under their T&Cs you agree that they can charge you an amount equal to the chargeback amount, plus hundreds of dollars or more in costs. 

Even worse, read this in their terms and conditions:

In the event that Bidder violates this dispute resolution provisions, in consideration of HEM's approval of the application of the bidder to bid in HEM's auction, bidder confesses judgment to fraud having been committed by bidder against HEM and further agrees that bidder is liable to HEM for all damages, losses and costs.

You read it right. If you violate their dispute resolution provisions you automatically confess that you have committed fraud against High End Memorabilia.

Their terms and conditions are illegal, perhaps even criminally illegal, and largely unenforceable, but they no doubt do the job and scare most buyers away from trying to get their money back.

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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on March 7, 2019 at 3:25am

Yep--Here is that garbage.  You can click your mouse on the image to get a closer view.

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ameen on April 19, 2019 at 5:47pm

That's a lot of "r's" he must've been incredibly "sincere"

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Permalink Reply by Fuddjcal on April 20, 2019 at 9:43am

rrrrrrufff rufff. It was signed by Scooby Doo.

Funny how this could fool even the skippiest of skippy's.

AND WHAT A SCAM STEVE, thanks for the info on the High End Forgery guy.

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