Beatles set - must have a chance..

Saw this set coming up for auction. Absolutely no provenance but must have a chance. I have most concerns about Lennon and Starr. Any thoughts?

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on November 13, 2016 at 2:01pm

If it was copied, they probably would have duplicated the same unusual formation of the "NG" in the Ringo signature among other things.

Permalink Reply by Pauline Berry on November 17, 2016 at 4:17pm

All I can say is Beatles fakers are way better than Marilyn Monroe, (my area of expertise). I look at this Paul McCartney and see good things - especially age in the ink. He sure does sign with a lot of variety, but the muscularity and speed/confidence is there - Paul McCartney is the only one of these I have had a pretty good study of, but am no expert. Were people faking these 40 years ago? the ink looks old, not just the LP.

Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on November 13, 2016 at 1:13pm

the one on the Tracks item looks better to me.

Permalink Reply by Thomas William on November 17, 2016 at 7:38am

They look drawn to me....ie..Harrison 

Permalink Reply by stu deitcher on November 17, 2016 at 8:22pm

If it was "found" and is sold  for charity there would be many more problems present than just those small ones found.  The other people are pointing out an "o" or an "ny" formation.  No doubt there are no great Beatle forgers who would just toss their "work" into a pile of stuff to be found by chance; they would want to sell it for big bucks.  Just by that assumption the set is most likely genuine despite the small issues pointed out. Just my non-expert opinion and deduction.

Permalink Reply by a pug called eva on November 17, 2016 at 9:29pm

I think the proof of the pudding will be in the bidding. It is on the block today at Lawrences in the UK with an estimate of £1,000 - £2,000 (lot 1116). I'll include the link below. If it makes £3,000 upwards I assume that enough dealers will have thought it is real.

My own money is on it being genuine. I agree with Pauline that the Paul looks particularly convincing. The divided opinions here have put me off putting in a speculative bid (I already have two "most likely not genuine" sets that I bought in the late 90s for £1,000 and £1,700) and I don't fancy paying the £5,000 upwards that it should fetch if genuine (given that Tracks are selling a similar example for £12.5k).

There have been one or two better known Beatles dealers who have remained silent on this one so I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are thinking of bidding. Personally I would rather it makes a lot to ease my own uncertainty about not bidding and, much more importantly, to help the charity.

Here is the (ridiculously long) link:

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/lawrences-auc...

Happy bidding!

Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on November 18, 2016 at 2:19pm

It sold for about $6,500.

Permalink Reply by Pauline Berry on November 18, 2016 at 3:06pm

Thus the quietness of some of the dealers. I must look through old LPs in op shops more.

Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on November 18, 2016 at 3:45pm

No doubt. I've never picked up anything too great in a thrift shop, but I've heard about some amazing finds.

Permalink Reply by a pug called eva on November 18, 2016 at 10:59pm

Yes, £5,300. Obviously some other people also thought it was real. To me it just had the right look, even if some things bothered me. I assume the £5,300 is before buyer's premium so the buyer will probably pay at least £6,500. Either way, it would have been well above what I would have wanted to pay and I'm glad the charity has done well. I wonder if it will appear at Tracks or on eBay.

Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on April 28, 2017 at 12:18pm

It's now for sale on Frank Caiazzo's website.

Permalink Reply by a pug called eva on April 28, 2017 at 10:57pm

Thanks Ballroom, looks like my concerns about the Lennon and Starr really were unwarranted. 

Didn't take long to work its way up the food chain. Now its reached the top...from UK charity shop to No.1 US dealer in six months!

Actually, the ultimate price of $18,500 is not a totally ridiculous multiple of the auction price (£6.5k incl. BP). Still quite a margin to be shared amongst the people in the chain of course.

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