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Bob Dylan AUTOPEN Info To Help With Returns / Refunds - Simon & Schuster, Premiere, and Coles
***URGENT UPDATE
Previous update
Some users have uncovered potential autopen use within Bob Dylan's expensive art prints. Please check your prints if you own one and post a picture on this thread if you have any concerns.
here is a link to one of his art prints in question
https://www.castlefineart.com/art/bob-dylan/cactus
*UPDATE - Let this be a warning to ALL publishers and celebrities in the future. We are sick and tired of these autopen releases. Our community has had enough and absolutely will not stand for this practice to continue any longer!!!
I want to point out that Coles Books needs to be commended. They made sure to look out for their customers and refused to ship these out if they came from the same S&S stock, which they did. It was also an easy process to cancel orders beforehand if you wished. Coles. on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for having integrity and watching out for all of us.
I can NOT say the same about Premiere Collectibles. They refused to honor cancelation requests until it was known these books were in fact autopenned. They advertise themselves claiming they are collectors themselves. This is not true. They are a retailer first and only care about your money. There have been other autopen incidents where they absolutely refused to accept blame, stating items were real when they were clearly deemed autopen by the community. Be careful with future purchases with Premiere Collectibles.
This email came directly from Jonathan Karp at Simon and Schuster. If anyone still wishes to send him a message, here is his email address as well.
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
We apologize for the mistake that was made and are offering a full refund of your purchase. Please keep your copy of The Philosophy of Modern Song at no cost. We hope you will enjoy reading it.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Karp
Here are 51 articles and counting detailing our combined efforts on this forum
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ORIGINAL POST
I am creating this thread as a comprehensive all in 1 link for returns, refunds, chargebacks and claims made regarding the "signed" edition of Bob Dylan - The Philosophy Of Modern Song. Please use this link to email Simon & Schuster, Coles, and Premiere Collectables as 100% proof these were signed using an autopen machine.
I would like to say right off the bat, Coles Books in the UK is handling this professionally and seem to care deeply about their customer base. They have stated that, once they are in hand, If they find evidence of them being autopenned, they will cancel all orders.. Kudos to Coles.. I wish all retailers would follow their lead. If you wish to cancel your order with them immediately instead of waiting, It seems to be an easy process.
This post will be continuously updated with new information over the next few days
Please refer to this article for the time being until more information is added
https://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk-1290-cjbk/news/collectors-quest...
Here is the post I created a few weeks ago with info regarding the Indigo incident.
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/indigo-bob-dylan-po...
So far, there have been a total of 17 confirmed different templates for the autopen machine used for Bob Dylans signature. I am in the process of creating video comparisons for all 17 sets. Please post full page photos of your item as they are delivered to aid in this process
Here are all 17 templates used by Bob Dylan - I am still looking for full page photos for numbers 8,13 and 15 thru 17 but its still best to post whatever you receive
Be aware when checking against your own copy, it has come to light that they are possibly using 1st and last names interchangeably. Bob in #2 matches perfectly with Bob in #13 while Dylan in both are different
14th variation confirmed
15th variation
16th variation - Seems to be almost an exact combination of #11 and #13 with a different vertical line in his "D"
17th variation
Video and photo comparisons created so far
Video of set 1 Dylan1.mp4 - Photo of set 1 Dylan1.JPG
Video of set 2 Dylan2.mp4 - Photo of set 2 Dylan2.JPG
Video of set 3 Dylan3.mp4 - Photo of set 3 Dylan3.JPG
Video of set 4 Dylan4.mp4 - Photo of set 4 Dylan4.JPG
Video of set 5 Dylan5.mp4 - Photo of set 5 Dylan5.JPG
Video of set 6 Dylan6.mp4 - Photo of set 6 Dylan6.JPG
Video of set 7 Dylan7.mp4 - Photo of set 7 Dylan7.JPG
Video of set 9 Dylan9.mp4 - Photo of set 9 Dylan9.JPG
Video of set 10 Dylan10.mp4 - Photo of set 10 Dylan10.JPG
Video of set 11 Dylan11.mp4 - Photo of set 11 Dylan11.JPG
Video of set 12 Dylan12.mp4 - Photo of set 12 Dylan12.JPG
Video of set 14 Dylan14.mp4 - Photo of set 14 Dylan14.JPG
Here are the COAs stating these books were in fact hand-signed
Suzanne Baboneau for UK - Certificate Of Authenticity UK.jpg
Jonathan Karp for USA - Certificate Of Authenticity USA.JPG
Coles listing before it was removed - Coles Website Listing.jpg
Important emails:
Jonathan Karp US - CEO of Simon & Schuster
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
Duane Ward of Premiere Collectables
duane@premierespeakers.com - Others have tried duane@premierecollectables.com
Suzanne Baboneau, Managing Director
suzanne.baboneau@simonandschuster.co.uk
Ian Chapman, UK - CEO
ian.chapman@simonandschuster.co.uk
Bob Dylan's Manager
Jeff Kramer
OK Management
275 South Beverly Drive
Suite 215
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Phone: 310-535-1647
Bob Dylan's Agent
Brian Greenbaum
Creative Artists Agency
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067
Phone: 424-288-2000
Bob Dylan's Production Agent
Sony/Columbia/CBS Records
550 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
Phone: 212-833-7305
Bob Dylan's Law Firm
Manatt Phelps & Phillips
11355 West Olympic Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90064
Phone: 310-312-4000
Bob Dylan's Twitter
Tweet or privatly message Bob on his verified Twitter account.
https://twitter.com/bobdylan/
Bob Dylan's Facebook
Post or message Bob on his verified Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/bobdylan/
I also found this email associated with Bob Dylans store. Its worth a try
BOBDYLAN@EPICRIGHTS.COM
Media Publications who may be eager to pick up this story - Please email them a link to this post and all related content
https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/corp/contactus.html
For story pitches, please send:
News to Jim Milliot and John Maher
Soapbox ideas to Rachel Deahl
Features to features@publishersweekly.com
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Dolly Parton is also guilty of using multiple autopens in the same fashion with multiple templates over the years but with a slight twist where they manipulate the page as the autopen machine writes her signature. If we are looking to stop all future attempts at autopen usage, she needs to be held accountable just as much as Bob Dylan and S&S. Link to threads below
Here is a great example provided by Eric Keith Longo
Dolly Parton Autopen Example.jpg
http://www.feelnumb.com/2022/03/09/dolly-parton-fake-autograph-song...
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/dolly-parton-signed...
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by 5816nick on
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Slight edit....
Well Done Jason Hicks ! (and everybody else - who i already congratulated on a previous post more than once - InkInvestor...)
Your hard work has definitely paid off and will result in hundreds / thousands of fraudster victims receiving refunds running into hundreds of thousands or even millions of pounds, you should be really proud of yourself with all your hard work - You should be working on commision for everybody on here !
Lets hope this sends a clear message to all Autopen fraudsters!
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Strange to moan at me for congratulating Jason but Not Matt M who did the exact same thing a few minutes before in the next post above mine LOL
Obviously everybody played their part on here , every photo added on the forum, every comment helped to prove the fraud as I have stated before, we all played our part - if you check back on this forum I have thanked everybody else on here too, encouraging them to do as much as they can, keep complaining - Lets face it Jason H has gone above and beyond any of us - if he hadn't have started this forum and collated all the evidence then where would you all be?
Still fighting S&S over the autopens no doubt and would be totally clueless on the Prints!
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Permalink Reply by Jason H on
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Guys, we all know this was a combined effort. Nick has also contributed tremendously. Nichole deserves credit as well even if others disagree with her, TimeandTempo started the ball rolling with comparison photos of templates when I was gathering other information. There are so many others, InkInvestor you played a big roll as well and we are all grateful. All of us came together and contributed, even if a members only contribution was just 1 post. We all collectively made a difference. This event brought us all together and its an extremely proud moment for our community.. We have shown over this passed month that we in fact do have a voice and have the ability to make an impact when issues like this come up.
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Just know, this isn't over. I am still researching Dylan's signature and the timeline which all of these autopens took place. I appreciated our back and forth over secretarial vs real and it may prove helpful again down the road. Just because 1 article was published in no way means this is over. we need to hold Bob to his word at making this right for everyone involved. There is still a lot more to get done
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Permalink Reply by philip on
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Excellent work to all the people on the site for exposing this Fraud . I had the same problem with Brian Wilsons book a few years back got to keep the book an got a refund from Premiere .Then wrote to Brians management an stated my disgust.Ended up getting a personalised signed book to me from Brian sent to New Zealand for free . Funny thou they still use the same autopen font on his site. Bob should do the same.. Where would we be without this site.
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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES on
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Well said Jason H
WE really did come together as a community and WE all should be proud !!!
My personal kudos go to you Jason H for taking the lead as soon as the dust was settling on the Philosophy book scam, and I posted "Could Dylan have used autopen/auto pencil on his art prints as well ?"
I didn't even know pencils could be used in the autograph machine until Eric Keith Longo correctly verified that indeed Auto pencils could be employed.
BOB DYLAN, his name isn't even real !!! Hall of Shame!
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Thanks for posting the link sooner than I could. I woke up late and its been a busy morning so far. I was just now going to post this. I am impressed with how quickly Chris Willman worked to publish this article.
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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Chris Willman
https://media.zenfs.com/en/variety.com/97eb386bbc0638c5d9084c84617787b1"/>
Bob Dylan issued a rare public statement Friday night to admit that he “regrets” having made “an error in judgment” in using machine technology to affix duplicate signatures to artwork and books that were advertised and sold as hand-signed over the past three years.
He says the use of autopen signatures only occurred since 2019, when he was afflicted with a case of vertigo, and on through the pandemic, when he was not able to have staff assist him with the hand-signing he had previously done. Dylan says was given “the assurance that this kind of thing is done ‘all the time’ in the art and literary worlds.” Now that it has come to light and stirred controversy, the singer-songwriter says, “I want to rectify it immediately. I’m working with Simon & Schuster and my gallery partners to do just that.
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COMES WITH AT LEAST 17 VARIATIONS OF BOB DYLAN'S SIGNATURE.
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EACH MACHINE NUMBERED & PERSONALLY SIGNED...(er, well, you know...maybe?)
BY MR. BOB DYLAN HIMSELF!
$10,000 each.
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LOL
Hey Jimmy well done in making us aware of his autopenned Prints of course too, and well done to everybody that chipped in with information and photos of the autopenned prints, good luck and let us know how you get on and how they plan of putting it right for you too! Whether Castle Fine Art are sending Refunds and/or actual hand signed prints! !
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5816nick Thanks Nick! and right back at ya !!!
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