Some users have uncovered potential autopen use within Bob Dylan's expensive art prints. Please check your prints if you own one and post a picture on this thread if you have any concerns.
here is a link to one of his art prints in question
*UPDATE - Let this be a warning to ALL publishers and celebrities in the future. We are sick and tired of these autopen releases. Our community has had enough and absolutely will not stand for this practice to continue any longer!!!
I want to point out that Coles Books needs to be commended. They made sure to look out for their customers and refused to ship these out if they came from the same S&S stock, which they did. It was also an easy process to cancel orders beforehand if you wished. Coles. on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for having integrity and watching out for all of us.
I can NOT say the same about Premiere Collectibles. They refused to honor cancelation requests until it was known these books were in fact autopenned. They advertise themselves claiming they are collectors themselves. This is not true. They are a retailer first and only care about your money. There have been other autopen incidents where they absolutely refused to accept blame, stating items were real when they were clearly deemed autopen by the community. Be careful with future purchases with Premiere Collectibles.
This email came directly from Jonathan Karp at Simon and Schuster. If anyone still wishes to send him a message, here is his email address as well.
We apologize for the mistake that was made and are offering a full refund of your purchase. Please keep your copy of The Philosophy of Modern Song at no cost. We hope you will enjoy reading it.
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I am creating this thread as a comprehensive all in 1 link for returns, refunds, chargebacks and claims made regarding the "signed" edition of Bob Dylan - The Philosophy Of Modern Song. Please use this link to email Simon & Schuster, Coles, and Premiere Collectables as 100% proof these were signed using an autopen machine.
I would like to say right off the bat, Coles Books in the UK is handling this professionally and seem to care deeply about their customer base. They have stated that, once they are in hand, If they find evidence of them being autopenned, they will cancel all orders.. Kudos to Coles.. I wish all retailers would follow their lead. If you wish to cancel your order with them immediately instead of waiting, It seems to be an easy process.
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Please refer to this article for the time being until more information is added
Here is the post I created a few weeks ago with info regarding the Indigo incident.
So far, there have been a total of 17 confirmed different templates for the autopen machine used for Bob Dylans signature. I am in the process of creating video comparisons for all 17 sets. Please post full page photos of your item as they are delivered to aid in this process
Here are all 17 templates used by Bob Dylan - I am still looking for full page photos for numbers 8,13 and 15 thru 17 but its still best to post whatever you receive
Be aware when checking against your own copy, it has come to light that they are possibly using 1st and last names interchangeably. Bob in #2 matches perfectly with Bob in #13 while Dylan in both are different
14th variation confirmed
16th variation - Seems to be almost an exact combination of #11 and #13 with a different vertical line in his "D"
Video and photo comparisons created so far
Video of set 1 Dylan1.mp4 - Photo of set 1 Dylan1.JPG
Video of set 2 Dylan2.mp4 - Photo of set 2 Dylan2.JPG
Video of set 3 Dylan3.mp4 - Photo of set 3 Dylan3.JPG
Video of set 4 Dylan4.mp4 - Photo of set 4 Dylan4.JPG
Video of set 5 Dylan5.mp4 - Photo of set 5 Dylan5.JPG
Video of set 6 Dylan6.mp4 - Photo of set 6 Dylan6.JPG
Video of set 7 Dylan7.mp4 - Photo of set 7 Dylan7.JPG
Video of set 9 Dylan9.mp4 - Photo of set 9 Dylan9.JPG
Video of set 10 Dylan10.mp4 - Photo of set 10 Dylan10.JPG
Video of set 11 Dylan11.mp4 - Photo of set 11 Dylan11.JPG
Video of set 12 Dylan12.mp4 - Photo of set 12 Dylan12.JPG
Video of set 14 Dylan14.mp4 - Photo of set 14 Dylan14.JPG
Here are the COAs stating these books were in fact hand-signed
Suzanne Baboneau for UK - Certificate Of Authenticity UK.jpg
Jonathan Karp for USA - Certificate Of Authenticity USA.JPG
Coles listing before it was removed - Coles Website Listing.jpg
Jonathan Karp US - CEO of Simon & Schuster
Duane Ward of Premiere Collectables
firstname.lastname@example.org - Others have tried email@example.com
Suzanne Baboneau, Managing Director
Ian Chapman, UK - CEO
275 South Beverly Drive
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Creative Artists Agency
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067
550 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
Manatt Phelps & Phillips
11355 West Olympic Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90064
Bob Dylan's Twitter
Tweet or privatly message Bob on his verified Twitter account.
Bob Dylan's Facebook
Post or message Bob on his verified Facebook.
I also found this email associated with Bob Dylans store. Its worth a try
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Dolly Parton is also guilty of using multiple autopens in the same fashion with multiple templates over the years but with a slight twist where they manipulate the page as the autopen machine writes her signature. If we are looking to stop all future attempts at autopen usage, she needs to be held accountable just as much as Bob Dylan and S&S. Link to threads below
Here is a great example provided by Eric Keith Longo
Dolly Parton Autopen Example.jpg
I am well aware of that having used it to scare the out of certain sellers.
Can an autograph or work be NOT be by the artist when permission/authorization is given? Can you forge your own signature?
It is going to come down to terminology and I think they have that worked out. The rest, the intent, is the way to go IMO.
Most post 1960/70 Warhols do not bear any signs of his hand. All sent out to silkscreen cutters and carried out by a plethora of blonde "studio boys". Is this Andy or not? If his method was to have others carry out the physical, how can it not be a Warhol?
Damien Hirst recently did 10,000 dot paintings if I remember right and none were painted by him... but he did hand sign them. Jeff Koons doesn't make his balloon sculptures. Maurizio Cattelan doesn't sculpt his sculptures. Lots of artists don't do their own art, so I guess just like with gifts... it's the thought that counts.
Close quarters. he’s such a liar.
I saw a class action lawsuit advertisement on FB.
can you screen grab that, or provide a link....
I've had episodes of vertigo. One thing you don't want to do is look down. Dylan had no problem at this concert.Screen%20Shot%202022-12-03%20at%205.21.02%20PM.png
Hey, here's a thought: Maybe Trump, oops, I mean Dylan, is afraid of exposing the fact that his hand is not sure anymore, and his signatures would show a shaky old man's wobbling....He is very vain, after all. So, not vertigo, but palsy. Pure speculation here....but 80 is old, folks......
Trump also used autopen when he sold "signed" books to his supporters when running for president. So they have that in common.
I hope that's all!
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