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Permalink Reply by Jason H on December 16, 2022 at 10:34pm

Steve, this one is interesting. Beckett authentication aside, Is this a real legal document? This could potentially address questions of a slanted style signature but his divorce is listed as 1977 and the 1st sheet has 75 as the year. I have no idea how long his divorce dragged out but supposedly "Blood on the Tracks" (released Jan. 20, 1975) has links to tensions relating to his "estranged wife" Sara..  Dylan has denied these claims 

Sara did not file for divorce until March 1, 1977. Would a document like this pertain to something else besides the divorce? I probably do not have all the facts but this document is listed as a dual signed divorce contract. Could someone shed light into this? There are huge gaps in my overall knowledge of Dylan as I really never cared about his personal life to these depths. As of now, this item seems suspect to me overall

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on December 16, 2022 at 10:40pm

It is also the only item I see so far out of the links you posted that could shed light. Beckett authenticated this in 2021. If it had been authenticated prior to 2018, it may still be an item to really look into but im not comfortable using this piece as a 100% Dylan signature without more info

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on December 16, 2022 at 10:54pm

Also, this documented was posted on this very same forum before Beckett certification. Has anyone found other examples of Sara's signature from that time period. 

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/bob-dylan-sara-dyla...

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on December 16, 2022 at 11:07pm

I have not seen any other examples of Dylan's slanted signature from the 70s. This slant seems to have popped up only with his recent examples that no one has witnessed other than his management (something we can not rely on). I do not see anything in his handwriting from the many items I've studied to suggest this is real. I would love to know what Beckett based their decision on. I cant state this enough though. My research is limited to what I can find in which everyone can verify is 100% real and not from the opinion of an authenticator.

I honestly feel at this point that Beckett got this one wrong but please, if someone has more info, I would love to be proven wrong for the sake of the truth

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on December 16, 2022 at 11:17pm

Ha, this is why I am trying to stay quiet until more info comes out, but thats no fun.. I found these items with similar signatures. Are they real? cant say.. but the key may be found by researching Sara instead of Bob.. Im excited as it may be another lead

The 2nd picture was sold at Heritage auction back in 2003

https://entertainment.ha.com/itm/autographs/bob-dylan-rare-signed-d...

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 16, 2022 at 11:48pm

Great searching, Jason! An authenticator or specialist who has studied Dylan's autograph for years should be able to answer these questions.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 17, 2022 at 5:25am

Jason, I’m sure those are signatures are in Dylan’s hand. I need to see the first one in person to make sure it’s the original and not a copy, tho.

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on December 17, 2022 at 11:39am

You might be right. I have a busy week ahead but ill try searching for more dual signed items with Sara's signature. I would love to find Bobs normal style signature signed with Sara and be able to connect everything.. Lots of comparisons to make but this has potential to proving it is possible he has used a slanted style signature in combination with his more commonly known signature for most of his career. I dont want to give any more opinions until I feel certain myself though. 

If anyone is able to locate other dual signed items by both Bob and Sara, please post them here

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 16, 2022 at 11:36pm

Good question, Jason. As far as I know this is a real legal document.

It's not a divorce or separation agreement. It's an operating agreement during marriage specifying what is separate property and community property for the couple, and how income is handled. The tensions in their marriage around 1975 probably led to it.

In this case, dual-signed means it was signed by both Bob and Sara.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 16, 2022 at 9:38pm

Check out these Dylans-signed lots:

Goldin Auctions Dylan prices realized search results:

• 9 signed albums
• 1 set of handwritten and signed lyrics
• and the 1972 marital property agreement Dylan signed with Sara Dylan.

University Archives Dylan prices realized search results:

(Lots signed by others where Dylan was mentioned are also there.)

• 16 signed albums signed in about the last 15 years or so
• 5 sets of handwritten and signed lyrics likely from the last 15 years or so
• and 1 signed photo from 1987 or a little later that's clearly genuine IMO 

The signed lyrics should be hugely helpful. They have upright signatures, and if the lyrics look to be in Dylan's hand those signatures were signed by him too.

The 1987 photo should be very helpful too.

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Permalink Reply by Knob Dylan on December 15, 2022 at 3:32pm

Seems like what they're trying to say is known criminals are helping other known criminals convince a completely incompetent business that their past and current illegal activities should now be considered legal, with millions of dollars of fraud at stake. And the people against whom the fraud was knowingly committed are supposed to trust their word on it.

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Permalink Reply by PFCollector on December 15, 2022 at 3:36pm

Yup pretty much. They're like an abusive relationship, retail stockholm syndrome... We'll abuse you, but you will still love us. Trust me, I didn't rip you off, I only ripped off every one else... I'd never rip you off, take my word.

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