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Permalink Reply by Jason D on January 22, 2014 at 4:00pm

I actually think CG has already brought this style of forgery up in another blog post that I found after posting these photo's. The inauguration baseball to be exact.

http://live.autographmagazine.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3524372%3AB...

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Permalink Reply by Randy on January 22, 2014 at 4:45pm

While not a Jeter expert, I have to disagree with you . These autographs compare favorably with Steiner authenticated examples.

There are some other Jeter specialists here. Hopefully, they will chime in. I would like to hear what they have to say.

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Permalink Reply by Erich Jerozal on January 22, 2014 at 4:53pm

me too randy.  cuz I still don't know for sure.  out of all of the forgeries I went through on that thread these were the only two I saw that came close.  IDK> 

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Permalink Reply by Jason D on January 22, 2014 at 6:37pm

These look nothing like any other signature that Jeter has ever signed for Steiner. There is a reason that no one else with Jeter experience has made an opinion and it's because they were "authenticated" by JSA therefore there will be bias. Just curious how these photo's with the JSA coa look vastly different from the example's CG has shown with the baseballs?

The "D" is not like a typical Jeter "D" and the ending "er" and the tail is a dead giveaway.

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Permalink Reply by Randy on January 22, 2014 at 7:00pm

I looked at 25 or so Steiner authenticated photos on Ebay and these photos closely approximate them in my opinion. 

The two pictured baseballs do not.

It has nothing to do with JSA. It has to do with comparing the signatures.

If the Jeter experts on this forum agree with you, they will respond to this post because they are not worried about offending JSA if they disagree with their authentication.

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Permalink Reply by Jason D on January 22, 2014 at 7:08pm

I guess we can agree to disagree but I'd like to see the Steiner signatures that you think resemble these because I've yet to see any.

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on January 22, 2014 at 10:00pm

I always enjoy looking at the Derek Jeter threads. I am not good  on him nor know much about sports at all. But i do have to say that there are a few Jeter guys on here that are the best in the world on him in my opinion. You can pretty much rely on them to chime in on every Jeter thread. So in this case, although i cant comment on authenticity, i think Jason is correct that there are more than meets the eye to these pics.

If these were authentic, numerous of the regulars would have chimed in by now, good or bad. I can therefore only conclude that there is something up with these. I would suggest asking Christopher Williams to comment.

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Permalink Reply by Jason D on January 22, 2014 at 10:22pm

Carl,

Thank You. That was my point exactly in response to what Randy had to say.

I know that there are a lot of people on this site that are good with Jeter signatures. This thread was started last night and not one has offered an opinion on these. I'm not trying to throw JSA under the bus but they do need to be aware that these are forgeries. I've seen this style before that were stickered by JSA and this style was also pointed out in another Jeter thread stickered by GAI and pointed out as forgeries by Christopher Williams. I have to say that out of all the Jeter forgeries I have seen these are amongst the better ones I've seen but forgeries nonetheless.

It's like I stated in another thread about the Mariano Rivera signatures, once the forgers can get the "M" and the "R" correct they will supply them in masses which seems to be the case with these Jeters. Although I haven't seen these in mass quantities yet if the forgers aren't stopped now they will be all over the place especially if JSA is putting stickers on them.

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on January 23, 2014 at 1:02am

I honestly agree with you Jason,

I only really know one way to even half way authenticate a Jeter, and that is kind of the Angle of the beginning of the D downstroke. That probably isnt even a valid trait, but after watching alot of Tresh videos i noticed that trait, and it seems to hold on bad Jeter forgeries. So when i looked at these i thought they were good, b/c that angle is in the right place compared to most bad forgeries.

But i think your correct. As far as im concerned, and i think most feel this way, any company certing forgeries should be called out. And that includes PSA and JSA, even if they are good forgeries. I can understand some not wanting to comment on them due to jobs, etc, so no big deal. But i think you are correct.  There is def something to these. Otherwise, they would have been nailed good or bad across the board by the regulars

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Permalink Reply by Jason D on January 23, 2014 at 3:20pm

Carl,

Thanks for your comments. NO ONE should be biased when it comes to exposing forgeries no matter who they are, who they work for or who they have loyalty too. If these Jeter forgery photo's came with a coa from Stat, Chis Moralas, ACE, Justin Priddy, GAI, Steve Sipe then people would be all over them like a bad rash but because they are stickered by JSA no one wants to say they are bad. Which thinking about it now it's ok not to make a comment because it just goes to prove the point that they are forgeries.

Like I said earlier in the post JSA needs to realize that they are putting stickers on forgeries before the market is flooded with them and collectors need to know this style of Derek Jeter forgery.  

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Permalink Reply by Randy on January 23, 2014 at 6:17pm

Not sure who the "NO ONE" refers to but I assume you have someone in mind.

I defer to the expressed opinons that these are not authentic as I admittedly am not a Jeter expert.

I was waiting for Christopher Williams to chime in as I believe he is recognized as the Mantle and Jeter "Expert." 

For whatever reason, he has stayed out of this one. 

By the way, if someone on this forum works for JSA and believes they made a mistake on these, I would not expect them to throw the company under the bus for an honest mistake.

That would be a sure fire way to no longer work for them.

Also, please read the LOA. It states that it is an "OPINION".

Unfortunately, that is also all you or anyone else here can supply.

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Permalink Reply by Jason D on January 23, 2014 at 7:51pm

Randy, The "NO ONE" does not refer to any one person, however it does apply to the Derek Jeter "Experts" that have no problem commenting on other Jeter forgeries but when forgeries are exposed by one of the "most trusted" authenticators around there seems to be no comment. At this point no comment is needed as the fact that these are in fact forgeries has been made.

As for a "Honest Mistake", wouldn't you think the ethical thing to do is to say " Yes we made a mistake and we are working to fix this problem"? As a man if I make a mistake I have no problem saying I made an honest mistake and if a company is one of the most trusted around and they are putting stickers on forgeries don't you think it should be addressed? The easy way out for these companies that charge money for authenticating an item is "opinion", maybe these companies should take a financial responsibility when they sticker a item to later be determined as a forgery. This goes for EVERY company that charges a fee for a "expert" opinion. I personally use both JSA and PSA/DNA to authenticate items that I feel will bring more money certified otherwise I wouldn't spend a dollar on authentication.

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