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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on June 1, 2019 at 3:30pm

But they will mean NOTHING. All that matters here is the signature and it doesn't remotely pass muster. Why do you suppose it matches her secretarial Style B as identified by Pauline more than the 20 or more known authentic examples posted here for you? 

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Permalink Reply by Gratefulphish on June 1, 2019 at 4:57pm

As an old saying goes, "You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know."

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on June 1, 2019 at 6:21pm

Trent getting defensive cause he desperately wants to sell something he is foolish enough to think is a one of a kind. Problem is he can’t get a single person to agree that it’s authentic.

Betting this eventually ends up on craigslist for $500 bucks and a Drew Max COA and never sells.

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Permalink Reply by EJ on June 1, 2019 at 6:54pm

Unfortunately, the only photo of the event that would be conclusive authenticity evidence would be a photo of Marilyn signing THIS ITEM, not simply a photo of her signing some unknown items that same night. 

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 1, 2019 at 6:55pm

Trent,

You want to sell your piece, so this is what I recommend:

Submit it for consignment to auction houses with a history of getting strong prices for vintage sports and/or entertainment autographs. They will authenticate it themselves, send it to a major TPA, or both, at no cost to you.

I can't think of one auction house that wouldn't LOVE to sell your piece. It could bring up to $10,000+, so they'd make thousands on it, and get a lot of publicity. 

Auction houses are on the same side as you are. They only make money when they sell something. Finding desirable consignments is hard! Much harder than finding bidders for them. 

Some auction houses are more careful than others. I'd be surprised if PSA/DNA, JSA or BAS called it genuine, but they've surprised me before. And some auction houses do their authentication in-house only, you and they might see it the same.

What do you think, Trent?

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Permalink Reply by Pauline Berry on June 1, 2019 at 6:58pm

Hello, Eric got in touch with me about this one. Clearly it isn't Marilyn's autograph but perhaps you can find some common ground with one of her secretarials on my blog here Secretarial Examples- 

It doesn't really match any secretarials either. But is closest to the the ones about 3/4s of the way down, where you can see the secretary practiced the signature prior to creating a note on behalf of Marilyn. I call it Style E.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 1, 2019 at 7:05pm

So glad you joined in, Pauline!

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on June 1, 2019 at 7:07pm

Thanks for looking Pauline! :)

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Permalink Reply by Pauline Berry on June 1, 2019 at 7:22pm

Its nice to be back - I have missed seeing Monroe queries - have I missed anything else?

I see someone has already looked at my secretarial blog - yes it is a little like Style B also, which was up to around 1955 with Style E being during her later marriage to Arthur Miller, but I doubt she had her secretary  at this function. I love this footage of her at this function.

For Trent, her autographs from 1947-1962 which is chronological, I think he will see it is not Monroe's hand. https://marilynmonroeautographs.blogspot.com

I gather many of the other autographs are likely genuine.

It's possible it is the hand of another famous person close by on her table, so quite fun being detective on that one.

But the more I look at it the more I think it is a secretarial, I will look up to see if she had an assistant at this event, it will be in some book somewhere.

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Permalink Reply by Pauline Berry on June 2, 2019 at 2:03am

It should have looked like this:

I feel for you, this not being a real Monroe, although it is a real DiMaggio.

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Permalink Reply by Pauline Berry on June 2, 2019 at 2:25am

I am a bit confused about Joe being at this event, where is he in the footage? no photos of them together that I can find on that night? why is Marilyn seated next to Eddie Fisher if Joe accompanied her? do I have the story wrong?

Trent, even real autographs don't get verified sometimes, this one can't succeed unfortunately. Yet you have an amazing DiMaggio one.

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Permalink Reply by Pauline Berry on June 2, 2019 at 3:26am

This signing in the image below is a member of the press or an editorial person writing her name - not an attempted forgery or even a non malicious signing - it is just someone labeling the photograph as being to do with Marilyn Monroe (a photo of her bedroom the day after she died).

But it is typical of someone who is not writing their own name - and looks quite similar to Trent's signing. Not likely to be the same person though.

Vitally, in Trent's signing the big gap between M and a in Marilyn is a very big tell - always she joined these two letters together, even in the early days. That's just the first thing making it impossible to her signature.

I think the "occams razor" answer is this is a non malicious signing. Someone in the vicinity signed as Marilyn to appease a request.

Trent, the fact that you can't see the commonalities between real Marilyn signatures just means you are new to this - it takes a long time. Like Erik and Steve say, self-education is the answer. It has to get into your brain. Once it has, all those messy real signatures start to look very similar, and then even more so.  Once that happens you can tell and trust your own judgement.

No one wants to bum you out. All the best with your memorabilia.

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