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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on September 9, 2023 at 10:39am

I don't like them (John & George). Paul looks a poor example.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on September 9, 2023 at 10:42am

PS - there seems to be some serious rippling on the Macca. Perhaps from improper framing w/o a mat or spacers. Moisture...

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Permalink Reply by michelle on September 9, 2023 at 10:56am

going off tangent somewhat can one remove an autograph from a mat and how would one do that without damaging the autograph as there is something I am interested in on ebay which loooks badly framed/mounted      If someone is selling a collection and has only grainy photos to offer I would wonder why ? I dont like these at all

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on September 9, 2023 at 11:08am

Agree w grainy images.

Your question leads to the statement "Never buy anything framed" unless you (like surprises?) or know how the item was assembled (I have seen an MJ held in place with duck tape). A lot of sellers won't deframe - one or more of the auction houses will not take anything back framed, others won't extend whatever guarantee they normally bestow on framed lots. Once opened return privileges are almost always gone. If the framing was done correctly, the autograph would be easily removed without damage. The graph should be sandwiched between two boards - the mat and the "hinge". There should be another board behind that (backing board). A quality archival hinge is made with reversible adhesive. On the other hand, and at the other end of the spectrum, are framers using whatever they have around. You REALLY need to know and trust (earned trust) your custom framer.

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Permalink Reply by Findbooks on September 9, 2023 at 1:54pm

You say "one or more", I would say 90% say "Not examined under frame".

This is not so much a distancing from authenticity of signature as condition of the paper underneath. Very few auction houses will contest a return based on it being a fake but if it is based on condition issues and they have described it in this way then it is a case of caveat emptor.

I have bought excellent pieces on this basis and found some, e.g. to be badly mounted (e.g. glued to backing with non-archival glue, with acidic backing). 

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on September 9, 2023 at 2:36pm

When most auction houses are telling you in the Terms that images are juiced, nothing they say is to be taken as true or fact and so on does it really matter...

Others withhold any guarantee just for buying a lot with multiple items, framed or not.

I think condition issues are more likely to be concealed by framing than authenticity problems.

Buying framed items is a risky proposition at best unless you can arrange for it to be opened etc.

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Permalink Reply by Jim Cushman on September 9, 2023 at 12:00pm

Bogus...No thanks...

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Permalink Reply by Jim McFiver on September 9, 2023 at 2:58pm

The Lennon looks sketchy, like a Neal signature (the J especially). George is iffy and Paul's looks OK. Of course, when in doubt - throw it out.

As far as the framing issue, it's pretty simple: if I couldn't inspect it in-person and from outside the frame, I wouldn't bother.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on September 9, 2023 at 3:06pm

The Paul looks bad to me. I would be surprised if the LOA is real. The George is an Allen Radwill/Radwell special. 

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