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Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
Starting this separate thread to track the Liza Minnelli autopen situation.
Signed copies of her new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, include autopen signatures.
You may also visit the previously existing Liza Minnelli thread for more information.
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Feel free to post your examples or any info on the return situation.
Overlay Video 1 (click title to play video)
Note how “Liza” matches up (click title)
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up, exactly on two examples received by the same person:
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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It appears that the autopen signatures in these books were generated by an advanced autopen machine that can produce subtle variations in letter structure and placement that would disguise the use of autopen. Please see this video to learn more on how this works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Matt M.
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Not even halfway through yet and “There’s even an option to slightly deform randomized letters, so that not every A looks the same.”
Yep, that’s exactly what’s going on. And that option to shift the placement of a letter slightly. Insane.
That’s not good…. no more templates that are fully the same and easy to match, only individual segments that might match up if we’re lucky.
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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES
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Just saw this and have to agree with you Allginger
"no way she signed all those books!!"
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Permalink Reply by FRANK GARCIA
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After seeing that YOUTUBE video. I have my doubts too. But heres photos of my 2 book front and back.
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Ok, not done yet lol.
Thanks for posting Frank. I just decided to test yours as “ove” look similar in both and I think I’ve seen them before in others.
I’ll try to work on it more tomorrow, but just wanted to show you for now how the OVE lines up exactly between your two examples (and the comma is also very close):
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Ok, one more for now…
This is JGLondon’s from earlier, along with Allginger’s from a couple days ago.
I’m just going to show photos of the steps on how the autopen is being manipulated like has been discussed.
First, notice how the L lines up in love:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:Slightly adjust again to bring the L of Liza into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment:I know some of it is not exact…. I did this one in a bit of a rush and I’m tired lol. I’m just trying to show how some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
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Permalink Reply by Jason H
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Pictures are a great addition. Instant eye catchers to compliment your videos, could you add a few to the main post as well for all newcomers or people who won't read beyond the first few pages of this discussion?
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Done… trying to keep it updated, but forgot a coulle rounds. I think I’ve got it now
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Permalink Reply by Allginger
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Are the sigs in similar places on the page?
Assume the pages are tipped in later, can’t imagine the machine would handle the book?
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Permalink Reply by Jor-El
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Signed books direct from the publisher are almost always tipped in. The machine doesn't have to be like a printer where it's always printing on the same spot. You can have someone adjust the pages so the autograph is in a different spot. We saw some examples of that with James Patterson, where his autograph in some instances was only half on the page.
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