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Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
Starting this separate thread to track the Liza Minnelli autopen situation.
Signed copies of her new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, include autopen signatures.
You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Feel free to post your examples or any info on the return situation.
Overlay Video 1 (click title to play video)
Note how “Liza” matches up (click title)
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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It appears that the autopen signatures in these books were generated by an advanced autopen machine that can produce subtle variations in letter structure and placement that would disguise the use of autopen. Please see this video to learn more on how this works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES
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Hey Matt M., I don't think you have any need to apologize.
We're all working together here.
Something suspicious is definitely going on, and our collective here on Autgraph Live is not the only forum to be sounding alarm bells.
I too can't wait for Steve Cyrkin, Admin to tell us his opinion on what different method he thinks is being used AND why Steve thinks that Frank's are actually signed by Liza herself.
JJ
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Permalink Reply by Matt M.
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Steve, noticed your edit above and thanks for clarifying. If I understand correctly, you think some of these, including Frank’s, are likely real. However, there may be autopen or secretarial involved on some, but not in any of the examples I posted?
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin
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BTW, Frank. I don't see any telltale signs of mechanical or slow signing on the backs. Autographs signed in marker on uncoated stock often show pooling spots in unnatural places.
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Ok, one more for now…
This is JGLondon’s from earlier, along with Allginger’s from a couple days ago.
I’m just going to show photos of the steps on how the autopen is being manipulated like has been discussed.
First, notice how the L lines up in love:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:Slightly adjust again to bring the L of Liza into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment:I know some of it is not exact…. I did this one in a bit of a rush and I’m tired lol. I’m just trying to show how some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
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Permalink Reply by Jason H
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Pictures are a great addition. Instant eye catchers to compliment your videos, could you add a few to the main post as well for all newcomers or people who won't read beyond the first few pages of this discussion?
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Done… trying to keep it updated, but forgot a coulle rounds. I think I’ve got it now
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Permalink Reply by JGLondon
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I'm blown away by the work you're doing here, Matt. This is a true forensic investigation, and you must have a major headache by now! Really well done.
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Thanks JG, I appreciate that. And I wasn’t trying to single your example out! (I know I used it several times yesterday). I’ve just been using some of the examples as soon as they’re posted, and incorporating them into the mix right away. I did that with yours and had some success off the bat.
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Are the sigs in similar places on the page?
Assume the pages are tipped in later, can’t imagine the machine would handle the book?
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Permalink Reply by Jor-El
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Signed books direct from the publisher are almost always tipped in. The machine doesn't have to be like a printer where it's always printing on the same spot. You can have someone adjust the pages so the autograph is in a different spot. We saw some examples of that with James Patterson, where his autograph in some instances was only half on the page.
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That's a good question. This is the placement on mine,
Also I think it's interesting the signature is on a completely blank page. Not a title page, or even a sheet that mentions her name or says 'signed by the author'.
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