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Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
****This topic (and the forum) are gaining media attention. Please see this article for more information:
https://radaronline.com/p/liza-minelli-autopen-signature-memoir-sca...
****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.
You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.
****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****
Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.
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WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSION
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“START SPREADING THE NEWS”
- Collectors have identified repeatable signature patterns across multiple copies of Liza Minnelli’s signed memoir.
- Overlay analysis reveals identical geometry and spacing in specific segments, an outcome not consistent with natural handwriting.
- There is a view among many on this forum that this suggests a repeatable mechanical process, raising the possibility of advanced autopen use, potentially based on older verified signature templates.
Recent news coverage also raises questions about whether Liza would have been able to sign books in the consistently pristine manner seen here.
There has also been widespread speculation among Liza’s fans on social media that the audiobook may involve AI-assisted voice technology, with some questioning whether the audiobook voice is a true recording or an AI-generated version of her voice.
⚠️ ⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures
Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath (appears to be only on US editions):
That signature matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)
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***FURTHER OBSERVATIONS***
- Multiple members of this forum have observed indications that a modern, high-volume autopen system may be involved. One example is the UUNA TEK iAuto Premium, which demonstrates the level of precision and consistency seen with the Liza signatures. According to Steve Cyrkin, the founder of Autograph Live, the results appear consistent with this type of technology. A higher-volume model such as the Ultimate could also be capable, as the underlying signing mechanism appears similar, according to Steve.
- Additionally, members on the forum have observed evidence suggesting the use of multiple marker types: some signatures appear consistent with a standard medium-point Sharpie-style marker, while others show characteristics of a chisel-point tip. Variations in stroke width within a single line (such as tapered sections in circular elements like the face) support this, as pointed out by Steve Cyrkin.
- Demonstration videos of the UUNA TEK iAuto show that not only the pen moves, but the paper itself shifts in short, controlled motions during signing. As has been noted by members of the forum, this could help explain the consistent geometry and repeatable structure observed across multiple signatures.
Please see this video to learn more on how this technology works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Matt M.
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Will do, that’s probably something worth exploring. I’m probably going to try to work on some more in a bit but still building examples and will test both of yours.
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Permalink Reply by Chris
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They were from two different UK bookstores, both had very limited quantities, so might be an interesting data point!
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You’re welcome, and I agree. They’re a bit challenging to work with as a pair, but I wanted to show you what started to look a little unusual. Not as many points lining up as a whole though. Stay tuned, I may use one or the other and compare it against some others from the forum.
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Permalink Reply by Mikhell
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I guess the more examples we get from the people on the forum the more chances of solving this conundrum we have. you are doing magnificent job Matt. Appreciated.
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Thank you Mikhell, I really appreciate that. I agree that this is continuing to come together as we get more examples. See below.
Julie M and Chris- here are your 2 recent examples overlaid together (Chris, this is your UK indie). Not perfect and still needs work, but a good deal is lining up closely:
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We've seen a lot of concrete examples this week of real problems with these but I don't think you can beat actually looking at several examples in the flesh and getting a feel. You know what I mean, when you look and are slightly in awe that your hero has touched that page and signed it, when you see they need to swap the pen over because it's running dry, the letters that are different, the chance to see the different strokes between different examples, the different spacing and sizing.
I've had 7 copies in my hand today.
There were none of the feels, nothing about them had a real feel to them and they all felt, well, too good to be true and as my mother says, if it feels too good to be true, it probably is.
I know all of this is fluff around the real issue, however what was noticeable was almost no difference in the size or placement of the signature and that really is something you only get with the book in your hand.
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Here’s mine… Waterstones edition
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IMG_1841.jpeg, 3.9 MB
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Thank you Axelp123, I’ll add that in and try some overlays.Just FYI to all - if you’ve posted your picture, thank you. For those who haven’t, feel free to do so when you get them.
If anyone is wondering why their photo hasn’t shown up in an example, please know that I am using it to test against others.
As I’ve said, not all of them that you pair together immediately show clear overlaying similarities…others start lining up off the bat. I try to focus on those, if I can’t get a match initially. But know that everyone’s is in the mix and being used
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My pleasure! I asked for a refund
through Paypal and got one. So disappointing of Liza Minnelli and her entourage.
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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67
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Yours received the lowest VeriMarx VMX score of the examples I submitted. It received a 74, while the others all received a 90 or above. VMX is an overall consistency rating. That said, there’s nothing in the notes that would point to it being a reproduction. It’s all positive. There’s an interesting statement in the results that I haven’t seen before.
The overall flow suggests an internalized motor program rather than a conscious effort to replicate a visual model.
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