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Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
****This topic (and the forum) have gained media attention. Please see this article for more information:
https://radaronline.com/p/liza-minelli-autopen-signature-memoir-sca...
****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.
You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.
****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****
Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.
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- Collectors have identified repeatable signature patterns across multiple copies of Liza Minnelli’s signed memoir.
- Overlay analysis reveals identical geometry and spacing in specific segments, an outcome not consistent with natural handwriting.
- There’s a growing view on this forum that this reflects a repeatable mechanical process, potentially involving advanced autopen use built from older verified signatures.
Recent news coverage also raises questions about whether Liza would have been able to sign books in the consistently pristine manner seen here.
There has also been widespread speculation among Liza’s fans on social media that the audiobook may involve AI-assisted voice technology, with some questioning whether the audiobook voice is a true recording or an AI-generated version of her voice.
⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures
Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath (appears to be only on US editions):
The signature from the book cover above matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)
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***FURTHER OBSERVATIONS***
- Multiple members of this forum have observed indications that a modern, high-volume autopen system may be involved. One example is the UUNA TEK iAuto Premium, which demonstrates the level of precision and consistency seen with the Liza signatures. According to Steve Cyrkin, the founder of Autograph Live, the results appear consistent with this type of technology. A higher-volume model such as the Ultimate could also be capable, as the underlying signing mechanism appears similar, according to Steve.
- Additionally, members on the forum have observed evidence suggesting the use of multiple marker types: some signatures appear consistent with a standard medium-point Sharpie-style marker, while others show characteristics of a chisel-point tip. Variations in stroke width within a single line (such as tapered sections in circular elements like the face) support this, as pointed out by Steve Cyrkin.
- Demonstration videos of the UUNA TEK iAuto show that not only the pen moves, but the paper itself shifts in short, controlled motions during signing. As has been noted by members of the forum, this could help explain the consistent geometry and repeatable structure observed across multiple signatures.
Please see this video to learn more on how this technology works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES on
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WOW! I just searched "Liza signed Kids Wait Til You Hear This" book on Google and all this came up:
"Based on discussions among collectors and fans, there are strong suspicions and reported observations that autopen machines may have been used for some signed copies of Liza Minnelli's 2026 memoir,Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!, rather than hand-signatures.Key Details Regarding the Suspicion:- Identical Signatures: Collectors have noted that multiple signed books appear to have identical signatures, a hallmark of autopen use.
- Signature Characteristics: Observers mentioned seeing signature patterns that suggest machine-produced, consistent pressure rather than natural human movement.
- Physical Considerations: Given her age and physical frailties—she has reportedly been in a wheelchair and dealing with health issues—many fans expressed skepticism that she could personally sign the large volume of books sold, with some suggesting a "hidden" team or machine was used.
- Conflicting Reports: While some fans are suspicious, others have claimed they have seen video evidence of her signing in person.
Contextual Information:- The Memoir: Kids, Wait Till You Hear This! was released in March 2026 by Grand Central Publishing.
- AI Usage: It has been confirmed that AI was used for the narration of the audiobook version of this memoir.
- Other Potential Frauds: Some collectors have mentioned that "tipped-in" signed pages (pages signed separately and then bound into the book) often make it easier for publishers to use autopens instead of having the author sign."
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Permalink Reply by Jason H on
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They may have picked up replies I've been posting to specific individuals comments related to Liza. I've been making the rounds on previous posts. Waiting for them to be deleted but I have gotten some responses. People are seeing my links specifically to this discussion. I'll keep it up when I have time.
(PS, talkshoplive, you're next if I don't get my refund for Hillary Duff)
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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Most of the signed books that TalkShop.Live sells come presigned on the book or bookplate from ReaderLink, the largest American book distributor. The books that TSL sells from them are shipped directly to TSL's customers from ReaderLink.
I can't imagine TSL, Premiere, or any established retailer selling signed books they doubted were authentic.
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TSL does not have quality control and this keeps happening. I emailed them before my Hillary duff shipped to warn them what was happening. They couldn't care less.
Premiere, I could be wrong but believe they make it known they will have an option for authentication during checkout, which in theory would scare whatever management or agent into making sure these were real. At least In my head, this all makes sense. But when a team is stupid enough to put an autopen template embossed on the book cover, you just never know.
I wonder if it was someone being cocky. In the background they were saying yeah, this new autopen machine is so foolproof that as an inside joke / Easter egg, nod to how "smart" we are, I'll put the template used for the autopen machine on the actual book cover... Genius....
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Permalink Reply by Knob Dylan on
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JJ, Wait Till You See This! I decided to take a picture of myself after staring at these Liza Autopens for the past 7 days straight. The good news is, I've decreased my biological age by over 35 years. The bad news is, I'm pretty tuckered out and could really use a cup of pudding and a nap...
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Knob Dylan LMAO !!! me too
jj
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Permalink Reply by Matt M. on
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Lol, I hear you on that. Thanks to both of you for your help on this.
****I encourage everyone to send their examples to Steve as he requested on the prior page:
-High-resolution images (3,000+ pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and face separately, as close as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format.
You can visit his profile by clicking his profile picture, then select Send A Message.
Greatly appreciate your help, Steve.
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Thanks, Matt. And not JPGs because they degrade image details.
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IMG_6956.jpegHere is mine just received from Premiere. Doesn’t seem to match any others.
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Thanks Jake, I’ve added that to the collection. I agree that looks a bit different at first glance.
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Jake, thanks, but could you please send me the original photo from your camera or convert the original photo to a PNG? JPGs usually degrade image quality and make it hard to determine fine details, and that's what we need right now.
Send pics to editor@autographmagazine.com.
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve - that’s the original hi res photo right off my camera.
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