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Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
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You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
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WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSION
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“Signed” copies of Liza Minelli’s new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, actually include autopen signatures.
Multiple signatures appear to share identical geometry in specific segments when overlaid.
⚠️⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures:
Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath (appears to be only on US editions):
That signature matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)
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The signatures in these books appear to have been produced by an advanced autopen system capable of introducing subtle variations in letter structure and placement, likely intended to disguise the mechanical origin.
Please see this video to learn more on how this works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Thom Joseph
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I reached out to Barnes and Noble with my autopen concerns. They offered me a 20% refund if I were to keep the book or shipping label to return for a full refund. I took the 20% as I'd still like to read it.
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For those interested, I just received this cancellation notice. Liza is too sick to travel to this event in NYC.
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Permalink Reply by Jason H
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Sick.. yeah, I believe she is genuinely sick... sick of the autopen maddness
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Permalink Reply by michelle
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and all about the autopen scandal with ref to AML
https://radaronline.com/p/liza-minelli-autopen-signature-memoir-sca...
well done Matt, Jason and everyone who contributed
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Great article! Thanks for all the hard work.
Still waiting on my two copies from Strand (supposed to be delivered today).
Are we still submitting examples to build the case? When Strand’s are delivered I’ll have four examples to submit. Two were previously purchased on eBay from different sellers.
Thanks.
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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES
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ah, you beat me to that first comment Jason H !!!
" sick of the autopen maddness"
AND sick to death that she's basically been caught!
jj
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Hey, they're using Mattman's patented MMODDc2026!!!
"RadarOnline.com can reveal Liza Minnelli is facing mounting backlash from collectors who claim the 79-year-old star's $250 "signed" memoirs may have been produced using an autopen, with furious buyers now demanding refunds."
Who needs Batman, when we've got Mattman! Matt M.
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Haha Mattman!! I love it.. this is so exciting. Another one taken down. So proud of our new hero Matt. Making the world a better place for us autograph collectors and fighting against evil fraud in general
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But you know they will say that’s the PREMIUM edition and not the regular edition which we all have !
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Hey Steve Cyrkin, Admin THANK YOU big time for the kudos you sent my way and kind message.
I just saw it.
JJ
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